R2: Collingwood v Carlton (Post match discussion)

trublu · **Joined:** Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:12 am **Posts:** 915

Bootsma should not have played. Joseph should have been in the side for him

Next week

Out: bootsma and Davies
In: Scotland and buckley

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2646

grrofunger wrote:

gonna take a loooooong time to turn these dumb lazy footballers around

This is the only way to look at it.

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:14 pm

The Shag wrote:

cortez wrote:

Davies and Armfield have to go. Davies not up to it, Armfield great endeavour but disposal not up to AFL standard, you can't afford a player like that. Robbo's kicking is a worry too.

Ah well, glass half full, we are playing reasonable footy, sorting out the wheat from the chaff, now for a few wins.

Armfield was far from our worst. His hardness, speed and tackling ability alone make him more valuable than a lot of players who have lined up in round 1 and 2.

Was a great last qtr.. and the pies just simply out ran and out played us. The umpiring in the first 3 qtrs was some of the worst ive ever seen. Some of the missed calls were absolute !@#$%& robbery.
Last qtr was good (with the exception of the missed Armfield 'in the back' call... which might have very well cost us the game).

We need players like Bell, Robbo and Armfield to string more games together alongside one another to compliment Murphy, Lucas and Simpson who are VERY MUCH vanilla outside players.

I feel like if it didnt rain we would have one. Judd couldnt pick up the ball to save his life.

Looked a lot better this week, but still SO much to work on.

One what?

BlueDW · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:14 pm

Better than last week, pies better drilled and their bottom 6 or so played better. Shake my head at most of the posts on here. Not sure what you expected, but surely it wasn't a comprehensive win without Waite and Betts. Thouy a massive concern, Laidler can't be fit. Scotland will help also. Better times ahead

ShanDog · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:14 pm

Great now my wife is angry at me for swearing at the TV.

My notes:

Tacking in general wasnt very good - particularly from Lucas. He missed CRUCIAL tackles
Casboult needs to justify his position soon
Davies was OK but nothing more
Where the hell was the run in the last quarter? How did they have so many loose players?
Our backline was actually OK. Did a good job. Many Pies goals were more luck than anything.
The umpires were @#$%&! SHITHOUSE
Bootsma didnt have the cardio or strength to play. He needs to get one or the other up to standard. Either be a big 95kg defender or be an elite runner. Can't fail at both.
Henderson was good when he went forward - set up one and kicked another. He and Rowe would make a good KPF pair. Having said that, his work in defence was excellent. Sucks that we have to choose between the two positions.
@#$%&! Collingwood.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:15 pm

Blue Sombrero wrote:

We need some half back flankers on the list.

verbs · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:15 pm

Blue Sombrero wrote:

The Shag wrote:

cortez wrote:

Davies and Armfield have to go. Davies not up to it, Armfield great endeavour but disposal not up to AFL standard, you can't afford a player like that. Robbo's kicking is a worry too.

Ah well, glass half full, we are playing reasonable footy, sorting out the wheat from the chaff, now for a few wins.

Armfield was far from our worst. His hardness, speed and tackling ability alone make him more valuable than a lot of players who have lined up in round 1 and 2.

Was a great last qtr.. and the pies just simply out ran and out played us. The umpiring in the first 3 qtrs was some of the worst ive ever seen. Some of the missed calls were absolute !@#$%& robbery.
Last qtr was good (with the exception of the missed Armfield 'in the back' call... which might have very well cost us the game).

We need players like Bell, Robbo and Armfield to string more games together alongside one another to compliment Murphy, Lucas and Simpson who are VERY MUCH vanilla outside players.

I feel like if it didnt rain we would have one. Judd couldnt pick up the ball to save his life.

Looked a lot better this week, but still SO much to work on.

One what?

Win

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17219

Disgraceful. Not because we lost, but because they went into their shells and were soft. When it came time to put their heads over the ball (talking to you Bryce Gibbs) or gut run to provide another option (hello Brock McLean), they were found wanting.

A case of too many expecting too few to get the team over the line. Not impressed.

Taff · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:15 pm

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Collingwood run harder

Read heart for that one.A few of our players should look at Matthew Kreuzer to see what heart and gut running looks like.

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

BlueDW wrote:

Better than last week, pies better drilled and their bottom 6 or so played better. Shake my head at most of the posts on here. Not sure what you expected, but surely it wasn't a comprehensive win without Waite and Betts. Thouy a massive concern, Laidler can't be fit. Scotland will help also. Better times ahead

We have been waiting for Waite throughout his careeer & we are still @#$%&! waiting

Macfart · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:16 pm

Now I have calmed a bit

Starting to think that this year is a learning year for our guys where Mick is seeing who can cut the mustard and who can not

top 8 may be beyond us but I will take it as long as this year is in fact a learning year

Have faith that those in charge know what they are doing but gee it would of been nice to win that one

ShanDog · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:17 pm

DocSherrin wrote:

Disgraceful. Not because we lost, but because they went into their shells and were soft. When it came time to put their heads over the ball (talking to you Bryce Gibbs) or gut run to provide another option (hello Brock McLean), they were found wanting.

A case of too many expecting too few to get the team over the line. Not impressed.

I agree but wouldn't single out anyone. The effort in the last wasn't there. Dont know if it was lack of ability or lack of will. They looked very tired when I would have thought we should have the legspeed in the last.

ERNIE SOS · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:17 pm

Can not afford to carry one defender let alone four BOOTS,TOUY,DAVIES AND LAIDLER

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:18 pm

DocSherrin wrote:

Disgraceful. Not because we lost, but because they went into their shells and were soft. When it came time to put their heads over the ball (talking to you Bryce Gibbs) or gut run to provide another option (hello Brock McLean), they were found wanting.

A case of too many expecting too few to get the team over the line. Not impressed.

That one contest out on the wing was a bit embarrassing. Stopped a couple of metres from the ball and waited for the Collingwood player to pick it up so he could tackle.

Oh, and how long is it going to take us to adjust to the new interpretation of in the back when tackling? Probably by the time they stop paying it, we'll stop doing it.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

Poor decisions by MC one again cost us the game ... I am trying hard nor to criticize the coach ... But it getting tough.

GO MM

camel · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:19 pm

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

Good game of footy. If we learn anything from it, it has to be that we need to take control of the footy and chip it sometimes to a loose man. They showed us how to do it last quarter and then opened us up with run. In reply we kicked it long to the forwards as usual and they just went two and three up to spoil.

Good observation. The thing we need to do if we're going to bomb it long is get numbers to the fall of the ball. Our players don't work hard enough to get up and down the field.

Yep. Totally outclassed in final qtr.

Easy to do in hindsight but Duigan may have offered more than Laidler today who looked underdone.

Effes · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:19 pm

Macfart wrote:

Now I have calmed a bit

Starting to think that this year is a learning year for our guys where Mick is seeing who can cut the mustard and who can not

top 8 may be beyond us but I will take it as long as this year is in fact a learning year

Have faith that those in charge know what they are doing but gee it would of been nice to win that one

MM was hired to take us to top 4.

He said last year he was happy with the list

Implying that he was happy keeping Joseph and Davies types on the list.

If we aren't top 6 at the end of the season it's a massive fail.

How often do you get to take on a team without a recognised ruckman?

Good teams capitalise.

Teams with Kreuzer/Gibbs/Judd/Murphy/Bell/MClean/Robinson/Carrazzo....should be able to capitalise against a team with no ruckman!

Pafloyul · **Joined:** Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:15 pm **Posts:** 4842

Look, because of the list we have, we play a taxing brand of football that gets exposed time and again. Too small, too short but with taller forward targets that don't have the athleticism and/or footy smarts.

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2646

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Ran out of puff.

Looked lazy, had no run, but you can't seriously not see that we just ran out of legs in the last quarter.

We play some amazingly dumb football at times. Two players go to the player with the ball and leave someone free.

Murphy gathering the ball on the wing, Ball hangs back rather than shepherd, receives the handball and kicks it out on the full.

Lots of work to do yet, but can't be totally devastated at losing to Collingwood by less than 3 goals, in the game with a couple of minutes to go.

Ofcourse you can be.
We had the game after all the stupid, lazy and selfish decisions we were making.
Then to top it off even more we took it a step further.
Even though I didn't think it possible.
All you saw was our players running to receive the ball like always rarely do you see them go and support the carrier or to support their team mate.
me me me it's all about me. :banghead:

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Well the Premiership favourites will be below us on the ladder the way it's going

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