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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:18 pm 
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AFAIC, Mick wanted Wiley to come in and be the man, it has nothing to do with money.
Lets face it, if money was the issue, we wouldnt have paid out the highly rated assistants we had under contract.
We need a contemporary midfield/stoppage coach who recently played as a stoppage/midfield player.

By all means retain Wiley as Micks off sider but lets rate the role with the respect it deserves. Getting a bloke in who's been selling electricity for the past few years isnt doing that.
The midfield is the most important line in the game. We should be putting decent resources into it. I liked the idea of McKay being football manager but if he doesnt show some balls here, its time to get someone who will.


Mick has been backed in as the boss of the FD. It's his clean canvas now to produce something.
McKay is hardly about to overrule him after the first 5 minutes :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:23 pm 
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I like Wiley in the development role and acting as a sounding board for Malthouse, but I don't like our overall setup with assistants.

We interviewed a few, Ling and McLeod were spoken about. We ended up with Brad Green, who may be fantastic in his role as a development coach, but Malthouse needs someone fresh out of the game to help out. Not sure the coaches we got rid of would have been much good, Riley was a fair way out of it (may have been good in a development role) and our stoppages were poor last year under Williams. Ling seemed the perfect choice, and leveraging off Malthouse working with him at Ch7 last year you thought the role would have appealed to him.

Someone mentioned the money during the week. Guess there wasn't much left after paying out the others and paying Malthouse.

Pretty poor.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:24 pm 
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the really good teams don't make too many elementary mistakes on the wrong side of the ground and allow easy/soft goals. Until we eradicate these lapses, we won't be winning or contending for premierships. Watch the last few grand finals and you will know what I mean. Mick will be building to this.


Hmmm, perhaps you should be more specific. Which mistakes are you talking about? I just watched GWS go on a 5 goal rioll against the current premiers. Plenty of mistakes made by the Sydney players. What are you expecting? Perfection?


You have missed my point completely. Not sure what you are getting at.

Never mentioned anything about perfection and if you read my statement closely, I am not sure why you would mention a round 1 clash between GWS and Sydney in 2013.

Simply referring to crucial and basic errors like giving up 50 metre penalty goals and coughing up the ball too easily like Duigan and Tuohy seem to do on a regular basis. And I wasn't just referring to Thursday night.


We do the same dumb things over and over and over again.

The indiscipline, softness hen things aren't going our way, crap 2nd rate key forwards, this has been an issue with this current group the whole time.

Development in most has stagnated or gone backwards. We have been revolved around individuals for a very long time and its going to take more than Mick rocking up to change that.

R1 was a continuation of a pattern, we have a largely meek, weak playing group, though with share of talent.

I like Keogh expect a lot of change to our list over the next couple of years.

Even if Mick doesn't take us to a flag which I believe is nigh on impossible, he can get the building blocks in place for us to be a well oiled machine off the field top to bottom, with recruiting, development, coaching etc.

We are stil coming back from the neglect of the end of the Elliot era and the head in the sand/arrogance of the club to not embrace the reality of footy in the 2000s and beyond.


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Mick can't flick a switch and nor can the players. I'm not worried yet, but if we're not seeing signs of improvement/adaptation in a month from now I might be concerned.

For the doomsayers, that's three losses in a row under Mick now. :P

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:04 am 
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camelboy wrote:
Mick can't flick a switch and nor can the players. I'm not worried yet, but if we're not seeing signs of improvement/adaptation in a month from now I might be concerned.

For the doomsayers, that's three losses in a row under Mick now. :P


I think we could be 0-4 and while people will be absolutely feral it's still not time to panic.

Panic if we aren't at least 5-5 by Round 10 because then you know we've lost to some teams who should be well beneath us.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:43 am 
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teknodeejay wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Mick can't flick a switch and nor can the players. I'm not worried yet, but if we're not seeing signs of improvement/adaptation in a month from now I might be concerned.

For the doomsayers, that's three losses in a row under Mick now. :P


I think we could be 0-4 and while people will be absolutely feral it's still not time to panic.

Panic if we aren't at least 5-5 by Round 10 because then you know we've lost to some teams who should be well beneath us.


With Adelaide round 5, potential there to be 0-5. To get to 5-5 after 10 will require 5 in a row. St Kilda, Brisbane, Port, Melbourne, GWS. All winnable but a couple aren't gimme's like the Saints, Brisbane who towed us up two weeks ago and a reinvigorated Port who smashed us last year.

An upset or two in the first five rounds would be nice.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:47 am 
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verbs wrote:
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camelboy wrote:
Mick can't flick a switch and nor can the players. I'm not worried yet, but if we're not seeing signs of improvement/adaptation in a month from now I might be concerned.

For the doomsayers, that's three losses in a row under Mick now. :P


I think we could be 0-4 and while people will be absolutely feral it's still not time to panic.

Panic if we aren't at least 5-5 by Round 10 because then you know we've lost to some teams who should be well beneath us.


With Adelaide round 5, potential there to be 0-5. To get to 5-5 after 10 will require 5 in a row. St Kilda, Brisbane, Port, Melbourne, GWS. All winnable but a couple aren't gimme's like the Saints, Brisbane who towed us up two weeks ago and a reinvigorated Port who smashed us last year.

An upset or two in the first five rounds would be nice.


Don't think we have won 5 in a row since 2000 - and therein lies the problem with the psyche of our football club.

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Blue Vain wrote:
AFAIC, Mick wanted Wiley to come in and be the man, it has nothing to do with money.
Lets face it, if money was the issue, we wouldnt have paid out the highly rated assistants we had under contract.
We need a contemporary midfield/stoppage coach who recently played as a stoppage/midfield player.

By all means retain Wiley as Micks off sider but lets rate the role with the respect it deserves. Getting a bloke in who's been selling electricity for the past few years isnt doing that.
The midfield is the most important line in the game. We should be putting decent resources into it. I liked the idea of McKay being football manager but if he doesnt show some balls here, its time to get someone who will.



I think Willey being appointed was about trust and ability to perform the role Mick needs along with the fact that he has coached the U16 WA state squad....As a result surely this means we have a couple of kids Riley has pigeon holed for us at the draft table ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:48 pm 
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In the "here and now" of senior League football there's very little time to for navel gazing. Quite rightly, the planning for Round Two takes precedence over anything else.

Round One has come and gone, and while the events of last Thursday night at the MCG are consigned to history's pages, I wanted to briefly take the opportunity to talk about how the players dealt with this experience both individually and collectively.

For a late period of the first quarter and through the second we simply weren't competitive enough. Basically we failed to react as quickly as we should have to put an end to our opponents' run and capacity to score - and despite the "should have" and "could have" scenarios invariably thrown up by the closeness of the scores at the finish, not one of our players will be "babied".

True, some had more time to compose themselves when they kicked, either to score or to set someone else up, but they were also told there'd be no witch hunt.

Really, the message to the group was more about what worked and what didn't work, and of why we were able to find a way back into the game and have a real crack after a fairly ordinary first half.

Admittedly the interchange bench wasn't utilised anywhere near to capacity or the way I wanted it to be, and I'm not altogether convinced that the ultra-offensive "Russian Roulette" shoot-out game is necessarily the way to go.

But we will all learn from this as we move forward in the weeks and months ahead. As I've said before, this is a marathon, not a sprint.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:22 pm 
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So let me get this right, if a coach doesn't change what isn't working he has no plan b.

If a coach changes what isn't working he's selling his soul.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:28 pm 
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I think we would all prefer plan b to be :-

A team gets on a roll kicking three straight and looking dangerous so we go into a lockdown mode stopping the bleeding, numbers around the ball, stoppages, slow play when we get it for 10 minutes before buiding our own attack again. Show some grit is a plan B as opposed to putting the summers defensive plans aside for an all out attack fest starting from 6 goals down. Malthouse has admitted he sold out. No point arguing it.

Infact that should be a plan A. Plan A should include robust plans in dealing with things when they start going the other way because that happens in every game.

Stuff Plan B ! The only people who never talk about Plan B are coaches.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:34 pm 
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I noticed on the No Limits Part 3 video he introduces Jeffy to his family as Jeff GarTlett :lol:

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That was a bit poor. In return Jeff looked like he couldn't get away soon enough.

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Jeff always looks like that though :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:20 am 
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Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
AFAIC, Mick wanted Wiley to come in and be the man, it has nothing to do with money.
Lets face it, if money was the issue, we wouldnt have paid out the highly rated assistants we had under contract.
We need a contemporary midfield/stoppage coach who recently played as a stoppage/midfield player.

By all means retain Wiley as Micks off sider but lets rate the role with the respect it deserves. Getting a bloke in who's been selling electricity for the past few years isnt doing that.
The midfield is the most important line in the game. We should be putting decent resources into it. I liked the idea of McKay being football manager but if he doesnt show some balls here, its time to get someone who will.


Mick has been backed in as the boss of the FD. It's his clean canvas now to produce something.
McKay is hardly about to overrule him after the first 5 minutes :lol:


Overrule him? Give me a break. No coach should have carte blanche to make those appointments.
Its not as if people were knocking down his door. The bloke was removed from his last coaching role and spent a year in the media.
We didnt have to sell the farm to get him.

The club needs to retain some control in these matters. Its why football managers are implemented. Carlton was happy to override Pagan and Ratten on football matters yet they cant with Mick?
Even at Collingwood, Malthouse had Geoff Walsh overseeing the football department decisions.

IMO, Mick can suggest his preferred football staff but when he suggests a midfield coach that's been out of elite football for a decade, the answer should have been no.
By all means have him as Micks confidante and off sider but midfield coach? Please. Its the hub of the game and deserves the best.
He may well get the hang of it at some stage and turn it around but this shouldnt be a learning program for the coaches, its an elite level sporting franchise in a highly competitive environment.
We've gone from being an elite stoppage team to terrible in a pre-season. If they havent found out the reason why, they better quickly before the season is gone.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:40 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
AFAIC, Mick wanted Wiley to come in and be the man, it has nothing to do with money.
Lets face it, if money was the issue, we wouldnt have paid out the highly rated assistants we had under contract.
We need a contemporary midfield/stoppage coach who recently played as a stoppage/midfield player.

By all means retain Wiley as Micks off sider but lets rate the role with the respect it deserves. Getting a bloke in who's been selling electricity for the past few years isnt doing that.
The midfield is the most important line in the game. We should be putting decent resources into it. I liked the idea of McKay being football manager but if he doesnt show some balls here, its time to get someone who will.


Mick has been backed in as the boss of the FD. It's his clean canvas now to produce something.
McKay is hardly about to overrule him after the first 5 minutes :lol:


Overrule him? Give me a break. No coach should have carte blanche to make those appointments.
Its not as if people were knocking down his door. The bloke was removed from his last coaching role and spent a year in the media.
We didnt have to sell the farm to get him.

The club needs to retain some control in these matters. Its why football managers are implemented. Carlton was happy to override Pagan and Ratten on football matters yet they cant with Mick?
Even at Collingwood, Malthouse had Geoff Walsh overseeing the football department decisions.

IMO, Mick can suggest his preferred football staff but when he suggests a midfield coach that's been out of elite football for a decade, the answer should have been no.
By all means have him as Micks confidante and off sider but midfield coach? Please. Its the hub of the game and deserves the best.
He may well get the hang of it at some stage and turn it around but this shouldnt be a learning program for the coaches, its an elite level sporting franchise in a highly competitive environment.
We've gone from being an elite stoppage team to terrible in a pre-season. If they havent found out the reason why, they better quickly before the season is gone.

We havent been an elite stoppage team for 18 months

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:07 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
AFAIC, Mick wanted Wiley to come in and be the man, it has nothing to do with money.
Lets face it, if money was the issue, we wouldnt have paid out the highly rated assistants we had under contract.
We need a contemporary midfield/stoppage coach who recently played as a stoppage/midfield player.

By all means retain Wiley as Micks off sider but lets rate the role with the respect it deserves. Getting a bloke in who's been selling electricity for the past few years isnt doing that.
The midfield is the most important line in the game. We should be putting decent resources into it. I liked the idea of McKay being football manager but if he doesnt show some balls here, its time to get someone who will.


Mick has been backed in as the boss of the FD. It's his clean canvas now to produce something.
McKay is hardly about to overrule him after the first 5 minutes :lol:


Overrule him? Give me a break. No coach should have carte blanche to make those appointments.
Its not as if people were knocking down his door. The bloke was removed from his last coaching role and spent a year in the media.
We didnt have to sell the farm to get him.

The club needs to retain some control in these matters. Its why football managers are implemented. Carlton was happy to override Pagan and Ratten on football matters yet they cant with Mick?
Even at Collingwood, Malthouse had Geoff Walsh overseeing the football department decisions.

IMO, Mick can suggest his preferred football staff but when he suggests a midfield coach that's been out of elite football for a decade, the answer should have been no.
By all means have him as Micks confidante and off sider but midfield coach? Please. Its the hub of the game and deserves the best.
He may well get the hang of it at some stage and turn it around but this shouldnt be a learning program for the coaches, its an elite level sporting franchise in a highly competitive environment.
We've gone from being an elite stoppage team to terrible in a pre-season. If they havent found out the reason why, they better quickly before the season is gone.

We havent been an elite stoppage team for 18 months


4th in the AFL for clearances last year with our top 3 clearances winners, Murphy missing 6 games, Carrazzo missing 8, Judd missing 5
3rd in the AFL in 2011. 2nd in 2010. 4th in 2009.
4 consecutive years top 4 in the AFL for clearances. I'd say thats elite.

Compared to 15th in the AFL at the moment. Sadly, I dont think we can pin this one on Ratts, Mark Riley or Alan Richardson, no matter how hard we try.

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Blue Vain wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
AFAIC, Mick wanted Wiley to come in and be the man, it has nothing to do with money.
Lets face it, if money was the issue, we wouldnt have paid out the highly rated assistants we had under contract.
We need a contemporary midfield/stoppage coach who recently played as a stoppage/midfield player.

By all means retain Wiley as Micks off sider but lets rate the role with the respect it deserves. Getting a bloke in who's been selling electricity for the past few years isnt doing that.
The midfield is the most important line in the game. We should be putting decent resources into it. I liked the idea of McKay being football manager but if he doesnt show some balls here, its time to get someone who will.


Mick has been backed in as the boss of the FD. It's his clean canvas now to produce something.
McKay is hardly about to overrule him after the first 5 minutes :lol:


Overrule him? Give me a break. No coach should have carte blanche to make those appointments.
Its not as if people were knocking down his door. The bloke was removed from his last coaching role and spent a year in the media.
We didnt have to sell the farm to get him.

The club needs to retain some control in these matters. Its why football managers are implemented. Carlton was happy to override Pagan and Ratten on football matters yet they cant with Mick?
Even at Collingwood, Malthouse had Geoff Walsh overseeing the football department decisions.

IMO, Mick can suggest his preferred football staff but when he suggests a midfield coach that's been out of elite football for a decade, the answer should have been no.
By all means have him as Micks confidante and off sider but midfield coach? Please. Its the hub of the game and deserves the best.
He may well get the hang of it at some stage and turn it around but this shouldnt be a learning program for the coaches, its an elite level sporting franchise in a highly competitive environment.
We've gone from being an elite stoppage team to terrible in a pre-season. If they havent found out the reason why, they better quickly before the season is gone.

We havent been an elite stoppage team for 18 months


4th in the AFL for clearances last year with our top 3 clearances winners, Murphy missing 6 games, Carrazzo missing 8, Judd missing 5
3rd in the AFL in 2011. 2nd in 2010. 4th in 2009.
4 consecutive years top 4 in the AFL for clearances. I'd say thats elite.

Compared to 15th in the AFL at the moment. Sadly, I dont think we can pin this one on Ratts, Mark Riley or Alan Richardson, no matter how hard we try.

That's where statistics mean nothing

Don't you remember the games?
You can get alot of statics up in some games and fee in others and look OK.
You are sounding like rats now.

Watch the games overall and come back me.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:35 pm 
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15th after 1 round, compelling!


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:32 pm 
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15th after 1 round, compelling!

BV maybe we should wait till Malthouse has had 5 years and 6 games worth of testing before we can judge him against the great Ratts ???

1 week of tests is not going to tell the full story.

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