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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:51 am 
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If he doesn't play on a small forward where does he play? In the midfield? You can't afford to have a pure shut down player these days. You've got to have offensive weapons. The problem is, if AJ had a specific shut down role to play on a certain player and is getting towelled up, what is the plan B for him? He doesn't have enough strings to his bow.


Reckon he offers a bit as a specialist sub.....at least in comparison to other options in that regard.

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I would also argue that there are players in the 2's in much better form than AJ. Bell had 17 touches and a goal before being taken off at half time, his form in the nab cup games was better than AJs, and his form in the games he played in '12 were much better than AJs. Buckley kicked 3 or 4 in the 2s the week before. So there are other guys coming through.


I'd refer to MM's comments about playing the smartest 22, not the best. Joseph's form in limited Cup time wasn't too bad. Bell's was better, but it's probably the things we don't see that got him over the line. Mick likes his role players.

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The other thing about these guys is their scope for development and improvement is so much bigger. AJ's had 5 years and we've seen what he can do and let's be honest it's hard to see him improving much now. Young guys like Bell and Buckley on the other hand, well who knows how good they could be.

Just calling it as I see it, I think we should be playing these young blokes who have shown some real promise developing them. Imo, AJ shouldn't really play unless we are decimated by injuries and should probably be delisted at years end. Id love for him to prove me wrong but I can't see it happening


We played Bootsma, Lucas and Casboult, as well as three other blokes with under 50 games to their name. How many more could we play on the night?

Why let him rot in the twos? I see it as a fate that you give someone who's a flower, and doesn't want to be there. (think Damian Cupido). Joseph's been a bloody good servant of the club so far, if he shows form, play him. If there's nothing to play for at the end of the year, I'd probably share your view. Until then, lets see how he goes.

I'm not a big fan of AJ but I'm more with Rhino in this discussion.
We have no other player who can play on smaller forwards, so, inspite of his weaknesses in that area that's the job he gets. I think both Temay and Graham have potential to replace him.
No point comparing AJ to Bell or Buckley in this discussion as they play completely different roles. I watch the magoos a bit and Buckley has not yet delivered consistently (partly thru injury) to earn a game but think we'll see him at some stage this year.



So what? I'd rather risk a player of the opposition having a day out than risk taking something away from us. It's negative reasoning and even counter intuitive.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:33 am 
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The Rhino wrote:
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If he doesn't play on a small forward where does he play? In the midfield? You can't afford to have a pure shut down player these days. You've got to have offensive weapons. The problem is, if AJ had a specific shut down role to play on a certain player and is getting towelled up, what is the plan B for him? He doesn't have enough strings to his bow.


Reckon he offers a bit as a specialist sub.....at least in comparison to other options in that regard.

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I would also argue that there are players in the 2's in much better form than AJ. Bell had 17 touches and a goal before being taken off at half time, his form in the nab cup games was better than AJs, and his form in the games he played in '12 were much better than AJs. Buckley kicked 3 or 4 in the 2s the week before. So there are other guys coming through.


I'd refer to MM's comments about playing the smartest 22, not the best. Joseph's form in limited Cup time wasn't too bad. Bell's was better, but it's probably the things we don't see that got him over the line. Mick likes his role players.

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The other thing about these guys is their scope for development and improvement is so much bigger. AJ's had 5 years and we've seen what he can do and let's be honest it's hard to see him improving much now. Young guys like Bell and Buckley on the other hand, well who knows how good they could be.

Just calling it as I see it, I think we should be playing these young blokes who have shown some real promise developing them. Imo, AJ shouldn't really play unless we are decimated by injuries and should probably be delisted at years end. Id love for him to prove me wrong but I can't see it happening


We played Bootsma, Lucas and Casboult, as well as three other blokes with under 50 games to their name. How many more could we play on the night?

Why let him rot in the twos? I see it as a fate that you give someone who's a flower, and doesn't want to be there. (think Damian Cupido). Joseph's been a bloody good servant of the club so far, if he shows form, play him. If there's nothing to play for at the end of the year, I'd probably share your view. Until then, lets see how he goes.


Good post rhino. Makes sense.
I still would have preferred bell in the side and put someone else on the small forwards, tuohy, Bootsma, or armfield could all have a go at it. I think this would have been a more proactive move in trying to win more clearances and get the midfield battle going in our favour so that their forward line is less of a worry.

I think I'm on the same wavelength as Paf in the post above. Joseph over bell is a negative move, but we all know mick loves defence. Will be interesting to see team selection next week

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:29 am 
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Trust me...... watching Hampson in particular ruck... it would be very difficult to read where the ball will go .
And you cant just tap to the one spot....
We have had Capuano for a long time.. and our rucks arent realy coming along in leaps and bounds.
Maybe we should start spending some real money and wisely??

We have had Capuano for a long time. But has he had his 3 ruckman fit for much of that time?

Oh ok
Warnock over 3 years
Hampson 6 or 7 years and cant palm to anyone in particular?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:12 am 
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Do any other teams play a limited tagger as their impact-man sub?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:11 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:16 pm 
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In terms of playing to the team strengths, it's either him or Curnow for mine.

I'd take Joseph every day of the week.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:22 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
In terms of playing to the team strengths, it's either him or Curnow for mine.

I'd take Joseph every day of the week.


Neither for me. You need a dynamic impact player as your sub. Bell would have suited the role far better.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:23 pm 
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I was hoping that we could hit a few more targets than what we did against the Tiges - our foot skills are average at best

I was happy to see Betts and Garlett on the ball a bit especially the former, even Pagan recognised that Betts was a good clearance player, need to pinch hit him a bit more through the midfield like Garlett, the latter needs the odd spell around midfield even with a limited tank - may be the only way it will develop or he learns that he needs to work on thsi more...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:39 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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In terms of playing to the team strengths, it's either him or Curnow for mine.

I'd take Joseph every day of the week.


Neither for me. You need a dynamic impact player as your sub. Bell would have suited the role far better.


Agreed re: the second part of that statement, and I hope it's something that Menzel fills over the next 2 seasons, similar to how Gaff has. Even Temay for the same reasons I mention Joseph. Whilst I think Bell has better upside to the role as well, I think there's a small degree of insurance in who you pick. Yes, Joseph's not great down back, but if Tuohy, Yarran, etc ping a hamstring in the opening minutes, he's there, as opposed to the other option of mucking our structure about.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:57 pm 
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Btw that woeful tackling effort of Murphy on Jackson was a disgrace........you have just been elected captain for goodness sake!


Agree, it was pathetic


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:58 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
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Btw that woeful tackling effort of Murphy on Jackson was a disgrace........you have just been elected captain for goodness sake!


Agree, it was pathetic


Please dont mention that again as I was trying to forget it............ :cry:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:08 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
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Btw that woeful tackling effort of Murphy on Jackson was a disgrace........you have just been elected captain for goodness sake!


Agree, it was pathetic


That's been Murphy since day one unfortunately.
One-way player.

Watch Bryce overtake Murphy by a long way by end of year now that he's off the leash.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:12 pm 
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Murphy was trying to ensure he didn't go into his back, watch the replay again...his crime was not to hold the tackle which was disappointing agreed

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:51 pm 
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I think structurally we need Laidler in to release Henderson forward. Hampson out.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:52 pm 
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Hampson will not get dropped after that.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:02 pm 
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I think structurally we need Laidler in to release Henderson forward. Hampson out.


Hampson out? :lol:
Apart from Kruezer, he's the only bloke we have over 5 foot 5 who can take a contested mark.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:09 pm 
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Casboult is over 5 ft 5 ....
Not sure you can play Casboult and Hammer in the same side.

They both dont stay in the contest for long enough.... and their kicking is woeful

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Synbad wrote:
Casboult is over 5 ft 5 ....
Not sure you can play Casboult and Hammer in the same side.

They both dont stay in the contest for long enough.... and their kicking is woeful


White better value than Cas !


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:04 pm 
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I understand why there has been a generally negative reaction to Levi's performance, but I will say in his defence that I noticed at the ground last night he was working very hard at blocking for Hammer and others in the forward line. Occasionally he over did it

Casboult's task to block and draw two opponents as our best mark and the big KPF is clear if you watch the game again. Don't know why he's getting bashed.

Duigan and Betts also kicked over his head or short when he was clear.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:06 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Casboult is over 5 ft 5 ....
Not sure you can play Casboult and Hammer in the same side.

They both dont stay in the contest for long enough.... and their kicking is woeful


True.
But Hampson made a big contribution Thursday night. More contested marks than anyone else on the ground. Plenty of 1 percenters. Created plenty of crumbs. Gave goals away. Blocked for the smalls to get goals.
Casboult struggled as a forward but he did work hard to protect space.
Hammer was far more valuable however.

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