I know it's been said before, but I'm really disliking this whole "If we get 50,000 members we can go back to the G" angle they're going with. So if we don't make it, it's the supporters' fault yet again?

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The Punt Rd 'suggestion' makes me laugh. No land equals no people.

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If Visy is redeveloped into an 18K - 20K seat stadium, I doubt we will be playing games at Visy even against interstate sides and any revenue generated by other teams playing games there will be going to the AFL not CFC.

I would be concerned that we would then have the AFL controlling Visy Park.

This is better from Jon. So long as the people on here who want footy back at Visy Park UNDERSTAND it's NOT Carlton back playing at Visy Park. If you don't understand that - then I just don't know what to tell you other than you're going to be very disappointed.

That is a real issue.

We have a couple of Billionaires on the Board and Daniel Grollo who built the MCG and AAMI Park is also a Carlton man.

I would like to think that we have the brains, money and business connections on the CFC Board to look after CFC's interests and get some control.

If Sticks and Co can pull this off, they will become bigger than Carlton legends!!

On the whole I agree Doc, although could there be a chance of us playing GWS, Freo and Suns there?

I have no doubt the club would want to play those teams at Visy.

The continued naivety is truly astonishing!

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would need to be 30,000 for us to even consider it, although what's the difference between doing this and selling home games interstate??? At least we would retain a home ground advantage - that's the message to sell to supporters who miss out, besides how many will go to Carlton v GWS? Even if GWS are flying what sort of crowd could we hope for?

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With the way Visy is now with the club house up one end behind the goals, that's kind of stuffed any further development opportunities. Where would you put the stand? You'd have to gut half the of the structure and begin again...

Can't see a Princes Park AFL venue happening

No doubt at all. But at what cost? Losing control of the lease to the AFL? I'd have to see the numbers. If we handed control of the ground to the AFL we'd probably only save ourselves around $2 million per year in maintenance plus the cost of the lease.

Still - we're $6.4 million in debt, so perhaps if we can get some guarantees on paper that make economic and football sense, it might happen. Long shot - but it might happen...but how many of our supporters would see the game? Not many Carlton supporter numbers go into 20,000.

Agree 100%. No doubt a suitable arrangement could be worked out with the AFL which would see an appropriate level of either compensation given to us, or AFL taking over management/costs over select areas of maintenance of the ground and facilities.

Geelong, I am sure, would agree that less supporters see their home games at Skilled than would otherwise see them if they played all their home games at the G or Etihad. If it worked out that we made more money from 20k seeing GWS at Visy than 30k at Etihad, I know which way I would rather go.

Sure it is.
It's a pretty simple equation.

They are talking a $100mil plus development.
That would have to mean new stands except for maybe Legends

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The membership angle makes even more sense now the AFL has said it wants to lift membership from 760k to 1m over the next few years.

These things never occur in isolation...

They would have to include lights to allow fixturing flexibility - so with that requirement alone this will definitely not happen, it's merely AFL posturing to try and put the heat on the current owners of Etihad.

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Read the entire thread my friend from page 1

It is a civil engineering issue. The Visy Development could be integrated into a new stand at the Royal Parade end....

That is why civil engineers and gentlemen like Grocon are wealthy!!

Without looking at it closely, the whole idea of a 3rd boutique stadium looks like BS thrown up by the AFL to squeeze Etihad into selling or improving its deal.

Correct me if I'm wrong here:
Is it 10 years before the AFL can buy the ground per existing agreement?
$100m+ to bring a ground up to scratch?
Say 3 years before permits, contracts and re-building of Visy / Punt (ambitious)

So you'd have 7 years of benefit at a cost of $14m/annum, (which exceeds the handouts given to the poor clubs) after which time the AFL buys Etihad anyway for $250m. These costs don't take into account compensation to Carlton/ Richmond for the near-new training facilities being compromised, or the millions required to lease or re-locate the home clubs.

If the term was 20 years rather than 10, ok...but 10 years (7 really), it's another nonsense AFL story.

I don't know about anything else, but I am pretty sure the AFL buys Etihad for $1 in 2025.

And I will bet London to a Brick they will sell it for about $500 million (plus) on the 2nd January 2025

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Thanks for that. So any re-development of a boutique stadium would have 9-10 years before Etihad reverts to the AFL.