Its just my opinion BKB. Its no big deal.

The truth is Mick coached the best resourced team in the AFL for 12 years. He coached them to one premiership and was sacked. And if you're going to quote me, as in he "held back" Collingwood, at least quote something I actually said!

As for excuses about being beaten by the "2 most dominant teams", they're just that,excuses. Mick had more opportunity and resources than anyone to create a dominant team. But they werent good enough.
No one cares about running second BKB, AFL football is about premierships.

As I said. I'm hoping like hell we win every game we contest and I'll be as happy as anyone if Mick becomes a Carlton premiership coach. But in my opinion he won't.
But hey. Its just my opinion.

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I think your hatred for Mick is clouding your judgement. When Mick got to Collingwood they were broke and dead last, so to say that during his 12 year tenure they were the best resourced is just bullshit.

He will help the team and club break some bad habits but i cant see him taking us to flag with the boundary line and press gameplan. If he has another trick up his sleave or shows that we not only had good talent on our list but infact great talent that wasnt being realised then he will prove people like me and Blue Vain wrong.

Still don't like the idea of him coaching Carlton. Makes me feel likeAFL has become a travelling money making circus with no soul (which it has) and has nothing at all to do with loving a team and hating others.

Hatred of Mick? Are you in Grade 3 or what?
I gave an opinion and reasons why I dont think he'll have success at Carlton. It doesn't mean I have a "hatred" of the bloke. As I said, I'll be as happy as anyone if he takes us to a premiership. Its just an opinion.

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I have a few questions for you?

When did Collingwood become the best resourced team in the AFL during his 12 year tenure?

Collingwood's style of play at the start of last season was a bit different (they tried to use the corridor) and they struggled. Agree or disagree?
When they went back to the old style of play (Mick's game plan) they started to play better. Agree or disagree?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... 1x1mo.html

So now they will have a second crack at it;

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl ... 6575767592

..from memory his first coaching gig at the dawgs showed he could make a good go of it with a not so resourced club.. ..and i'm not making excuses for his GF losses, but just making sure the whole picture was clear.. ..it's not as if his teams got lucky to make the GF, and then crumbled port '07 style.. ..the fact is, over his coaching career he's had a definite style of game, but within his style he's tweaked and reworked it enough to get multiple teams into multiple finals campaigns, going deep in most of them.. ..his teams play organised, and bleed for their coach.. ..that in itself will be a welcome change..

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I can't believe I'm going to defend him, because I'm in the 'not use to it' camp, however in relation to whether he overachieved or failed at the pies..........I believe he got the best possible out of his list, can't ask for much more than that. He got a pretty ordinary, solid team into two grand finals and lost to a much better team. His only weakness in my view was his 2011 season, probably should have won the GF but for whatever reason they didn't get up. I think ultimately outside distractions effected him and the list.

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Anything less than a GF appearance is a FAIL as long as we are not hit hard by injuries like last year. Synbad could coach this team successfully!

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Does it really matter who the coach is?

I am a Mick hater from way back when he was a dirty Richmond player (his Saints career didn't register), but I am warming slightly to him. Clearly he has been a successful coach over the years. Whether he has been successful enough given the talent at WCE and the resources at the Pies is arguable, but if you last 20 years as an AFL senior coach you have a lot of credits. Still, we were saying similar things about Pagan this time 10 years back. Our track record in selecting coaches has been woeful for a decade, so maybe our luck will change, who knows. He has been out of a rapidly changing game for a year, and there are a number of smart young coaches around. He is partly driven by malice and money. He can be charming when everyone agrees with him, but like Sheedy gets very nasty when challenged by the media. I have thought his past his references to Roman Legion tactics and Confucian philosophy trite. He is basically the same West Wendouree streetfighter he was as a player, all rat cunning and bottled rage. The bar is very high given the cost of sacking Ratts and employing Mick, so he needs to do better than Ratts did when he had a full side (2011). Prelim or fail I think. every year we go without seriously improving is a year closer to Juddy's retirement. We went for the quick fix and that has to happen or again the Committee's judgement will be rightly under question.

Anyway we will know soon enough which way we are headed.

Imgain the snarling if we lose to GWS on Sunday

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Is that it? An opinion piece by the scorned coach where he admits he's guessing and a crystal ball piece by David King about 2013.
Do you have any stats to back any of this up?
As far as I'm concerned, all statistics indicate Collingwood played a very similar game plan in 2012. Buckley just added a bit of flexibility IMO. I'd expect to see a bit more flexibility added this year which is a positive.

Apart from that, the only other relevant stats I've seen are the injury stats for Collingwood last year that saw their defence decimated and many of their good players missing a lot of footy.

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Turning around 10 years of bad coaching in a short timeframe is a massive ask.

I'll be surprised if we win a flag under him but like BV will admit I'm wrong

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I know what I saw and heard...now was it a CFCTV interview? Dunno.

I was shocked when I heard him say it. Chnaged my viewpoint 180 degrees.
Also mentioned elsewhere on TC too.

Anyone else to back that I shed some light?

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Who gives a shit who he barracked for 50 years ago? Or whether he coached a team you don't like 2 years ago?

He's a very good coach and a pretty strange bloke, like most coaches.

He has a decent list to work with, but there are plenty of good mature and maturing lists out there.
I doubt he has the cattle to work miracles.

Even if he does, it will take a lot going our way for him to make us into a contender in one off-season, even if he pulls all the right reins. Sydney has been a work in progress for 20 years to build their "culture".

This doesn't just happen.

I'm glad we have a pro at the helm this year. Maybe we can make a serious run year 2.

7th.

To all those doubting his success based on the pies game plan, and whether he is going to have success with it with us, are seriously underestimating mm. Is the boundary/ press the way he played with the dogs/ wce ?
I really think malthouse will embrace the strengths and weaknesses of our list and use that as a basis for his game plan rather than try to shoe horn our list into one taylored for the pies of 3 years ago. Sure there is going to be similarities to his new game pan, but that will be based on the basic tenants of his thoughts about the game, something that has evolved over many years and will continue to evolve. For example his huge belief in defence being the cornerstone of a great side. Thats not going to change, but how that is interpreted based on the list at his disposal, most probably will. Another example , is his belief that it is essential to have a backup player for all positions. So we can expect players to be directed into specific roles much more. The days of a player like thornton who was jack of all trades but master of none are gone. Specific roles.

We can all pick holes in mm record, and denigrate it to suit our argument, but the fact is he has the runs on the board. And not just with one side like pagan. Yes he had great players in the sides he coached, but what comes first ? The players making the coach or the coach making the players. My bet is on the last. And that is why it is undoubtedly worth paying a great coach, top money. If you multiply his influence over the whole list its money well spent if you get the best out of those players. There will be players on our list that just dont get the fact that under mm they will have to be more accountable to the role he has allocated them and are moved on. For example, a player like mitch robinson, who imo is undisciplined in the team role sense will either get it and thrive under mm, or be moved on because he doesnt get that it is not enough to be hard at it and slightly psychotic. I think he will actually respond to mm and will become twice the player he is now. There i s so much talent in that guy its not funny. It just needs to be harnessed. Maybe he is our swan.

Our list is top notch. If mm succeeds with it , will the nay sayers be able to say again, that it was all to do with the resources of the club? That would be unfair. Our 2012 season shows the difference. A more accomplished coach would not have got such a dismal performance out of our list. Injuries are one thing, but sorry 2012 was just unacceptable. Ratten had to take responsibility.

Malthouses greatest strength is his ability to steel the resolve if his players. He does this in many ways. His motivational ability on a personal level is excellent. Bolt onto that, the ability to give players extra certainty and confidence by giving them a solid game plan that is rigorously tested, along with the mental defogging that a definite team based role gives a player, and you can easily see an extra 10 % lift in performance. That might seem small but it is often the difference between a premiership side and an also ran side.

Culture. The recent kerfuffle over the swim team shows what can happen when immensely talented athletes are allowed to generate their own culture due to the lack if leadership . Chocolates to boiled lollies . Without doubt we have leadership within the player group beyond judd. There are some outstanding men in the team entirely capable of taking over from judd. This coupled with the mm leadership factor, should give us a much tougher, more mentally focussed culture. Something that was missing last year.

Player development. This along with culture are the things that set the club up for long term success. Mm has always focused on the players strengths and weaknesses and then assigned them a team role based on this. This gives the player and the team the ability and confidence to cover injuries when they inevitably happen. A player can come into the side and take over the role of an established player that is injured,and do a good job, because a. The player knows how to play the position, and b. his teammates dont have to change their game plan because they can have confidence in his ability to play that position . This builds confidence in that player. It creates pressure for that position. It builds depth. It gives you trading options. You cannot put a price on this.

Welcome to he club Mick.

Good post padre.

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Athletes generating their own culture can be positive, powerful and extremely successful. They just need to be informed and guided to maximise their potential.
The previous couple of premiers clearly demonstrate how successful that can be. Sydney Swans have been using Leading Teams for 10 years.
Its no coincidence they have the best culture in the AFL, recognised by the overwhelming majority of supporters. Geelong are strong advocates as well. Probably the best team of the past decade.

Interestingly, you're using an extreme example above to highlight deficiencies yet IMO we've also adopted an extreme model. An autocratic approach.
You can claim Mick has the runs on the board. I'd suggest of recent times, the player empowerment and delegation model has proven to be substantially more successful. Where it counts. Premierships.

Anyway. Time will tell. As I said, we're all hoping the club can have plenty of success.Its just some of us are less positive about the chosen model than others.
But as I've said plenty of times. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

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