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..these days, i don't think it's any more unreliable than most of his team-mates.. ..it's better than Judd's at any rate most games, and it didn't stop him from being captain..

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..i don't think either one is more or less competitive with these two, but in regards to 'mongrel' Carrots has it, Murphy has always been a 'nice' and 'fair' player, Carrots is the sort to iron out a player and go the niggle all game long.. ..if it's about who has some 'mongrel' then it's Carrots over Murphy.. ..mind you, i don't think it's truely needed in a captain, but all on-field leaders need to exercise some mongrel now and then to make sure the team as a whole doesn't get walked over [which we have for too long]..

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lets make Franchina captain

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I cant agree with that. Carrots is a better kick for goal but Judd is a superior field kick IMO.
Carrots is a very good player but too many of his kicks end up on his team mates toes or bounce in front of them.
Credit where its due though, he understands his foot skill limitations and has improved / played within his limitations as he has got older.

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Carrazzo is the best shutdown/offensive player in the AFL.
I don't think it is a coincidence that in Round 4 he got injured and our season fell apart.

That's two examples in the past 40 years Moshe. I take it you make this point to substantiate mine? Thank you.

It (giving the c to Murph) will probably mean we be more likely to keep him in blue for the long haul, and may also enable us to pay under market value too. This freeing some cap space.

I am merely second guessing the decision or aspects of it. I am not endorsing one over the other.

I vote for Kade Simpson as our next captain but I think Murph will get the nod. I think the way we will go is a younger captain as Richmond have done with Cotchin, not that we should follow a tiger's lead

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Not at all. I'm giving counterexamples to your proposition.

If you want more you just have to look - Colbert, Barassi, Ditterich, Tuddenham, Peter Moore, Mark Williams, Graham Moss, Wayne Carey, Gary Dempsey, Kelvin Templeton, Dan Minogue, David Cloke, John Rantall, Peter Bedford, Roy Cazaly........ I'm getting tired listing them.

So not only is your proposition ill-conceived; it's patently wrong. In fact, looking at that list (which is by no means complete - it's just some famous ones), it appears that the surest fire way if having Murphy leave is to make him captain.

And by the way, I've left out one really important and relevant name from that list.......... John Murphy (FOM), who left Fitzroy as captain.......

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that's a good looking mortadella.

Murph and Duigan to captain against Swans/Giants

I can't help but think that they're grooming Duigan to captain the NB, as I can't see him in our best 22 week after week.

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I agree Don. He'll soon be found out if 'loose man across half-back' is the role MM has in store for him.

On the flip side...maybe MM sees stuff that general observers aren't seeing.

I like Duigan's size and strength. Type of body I want playing in a GF and hurting the opposition.
In fact I liked Duigan from the first training session I saw him in..Jan 4 2011. Some haven't liked him since that day...go and check the training reports...and still didn't when he had a fantastic year in 2011.

He didn't have a preseason in 2012, like Hendo and Tex he had a disrupted start to 2012 and the season reflected that not just for those 3 but the rest of the injury hampered team.

I see Duigan as a borderline player at HB, but that's based on what he did in 2012 and knopwing there are a few newies earmarked to play a HB role, and they can't all play there so who does?

Does Duigan bring something different to that position? Something that makes him stand out against other contenders? I don't know. That's why I'm not writing him off at this stage.

If a settled defense is MM's mantra then I can't see midfield rotations coming from the backline. Players like Yarran, Garlett, Tuohy who have been mentioned for a HB role have also been mentioned as part of the midfield mix of which I believe the whole centreline (5 players, not includeing ruck), the HF's (2) and FP's (1) along with 3 interchange players will make up the midfield mix: a total of 12 players, and not one taken from a settled backline.

I'm not sold on Duigan improving in 2013 because he lost a bit in 2012, but it seems MM admires him.

Maybe he will lead the NB's, but I doubt he'll be captain, and I will put money on the fact that Duigan will play senior football in 2013. A fit list puts pressure on everyone vying for a spot in the first 22, so everyone is in the mix.

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Maybe Mick liked what he saw of Duigan`s 3 goals against Coll` in Rd 15 last year.
Shows he can be versatile.
The more leaders we have the better.

..Doogs had an excellent '11 season, and was injury riddled for an interrupted '12 season.. ..if he can recapture his '11 form, i think he has a place in our backline.. ..he's an experienced player, that's not afraid to back into packs [which hasn't always been a blues def strength].. ..i think ppl get excited about all the possible new faces in our back 6, but we're still far too light on games experience down there.. ..doogs has a lot of footy experience, which is one thing he has over other defenders..

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Duigan can play and I reckon he'll be a whole lot better than he's shown once he has some good coaching and a settled back six.

If a fit Nick Duigan is unable to make it as a regular in our back line then we're in much better shape than we have been at any time since Peter Dean was last running around.

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as above, who can forget his game against Norf in 2011?

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