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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:53 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
for round 1,
laidler jamison watson
touhy henderson duigan
simpson carrazzo yarran
robinson waite gibbs
walker casboult betts
kreuzer judd murphy
i/c; lucas garlett armfield
sub; mclean or bell

went with 3 talls, that way we can cover vickory/jack and edwards or the resting ruck
casboult to help kreuzer out
armfield is there to help out carrazzo with the shut down role, [martin/cotchin]
reckon menzel will be a gun, but needs more time
lucas will be given every opportunity, the kid can play, called sugar for a reason
reckon malthouse will love touhy and duigan for there attack on the ball, both play there roles well
would like too see garlett spend a LITTLE more time up the ground, just to help out with quick ball movement
fingers crossed waite, jamison, henderson and kreuzer can all stay fit and healthy
can't wait, bring it on!!!


Both McLean and Bell are way ahead of Lucas.


new season, new coach.......no-one is ahead of anyone


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:57 pm 
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Yes they are, Judd is ahead of Joseph and Murphy is ahead of Graham. If fit, those 2 plus Gibbs, Simpson, Waite, Jamison, Henderson, Betts and probably some others are best 22 regardless of how long the coach has been there.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:12 am 
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AK43 wrote:
Yes they are, Judd is ahead of Joseph and Murphy is ahead of Graham. If fit, those 2 plus Gibbs, Simpson, Waite, Jamison, Henderson, Betts and probably some others are best 22 regardless of how long the coach has been there.

At least you threw an IF in there


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:59 am 
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HOW ON GODS EARTH DO I FIND THE 3AW BROADCAST OF THE INTRA CLUB?????????????????????


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:05 am 
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Jack Donaghy wrote:
HOW ON GODS EARTH DO I FIND THE 3AW BROADCAST OF THE INTRA CLUB?????????????????????


+1 - Nothing on the website that I can see.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:59 am 
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From FB and Twitter, no live broadcast was announced pre game.

Game over. From the FB writeup...

No injury concerns for Carlton and plenty of positives coming out of the day's game.

Navy were dominant from start to finish in a game that started scrapping, yet opened up as fatigue set in late in the game. Brock McLean was a standout in middle with great support from David Ellard, Ed Curnow and Bryce Gibbs to mention a few. Andrew Carrazzo, Dennis Armfield, Kane Lucas and Rhys O'Keeffe were prolific on the ball for the Whites.

Up forward, plenty of positives for bigs and smalls on both sides with Levi Casboult, Luke Mitchell, Andrew Walker and Andrew Collins the main standouts.

Defensively, on both sides, Nick Duigan and Jeremy Laidler were at their best looking as if they'd playing footy throughout the summer. Matthew Watson was equally impressive with his positioning, whilst Patrick McCarthy was excellent shutting out Levi Casboult's influence in the second half.

NAVY 12. 6. 78
WHITE 4. 5. 29


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:03 am 
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Thanks for that report.

An audio broadcast was advertised on the CFC website but no link provided that I could see.

Good to hear that no injury concerns and that some of the younger guys are stepping up.

:thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:32 am 
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Carltn70 wrote:
Thanks for that report.

An audio broadcast was advertised on the CFC website but no link provided that I could see.

Good to hear that no injury concerns and that some of the younger guys are stepping up.

:thumbsup:

They had some technical difficulties and couldn't stream it unfortunately.

Very pleased to hear about the strong form of Casboult, Lucas and Graham.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:46 pm 
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Given what I observed today and trying to "read" what MM is doing I believe Round One will be something like:

B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Bootsma Watson OKeefe
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Robinson
F: Betts Casboult Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Waite Bell Ellard

Plus: Graham Kruezer White

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:50 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Given what I observed today and trying to "read" what MM is doing I believe Round One will be something like:

B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Bootsma Watson OKeefe
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Robinson
F: Betts Casboult Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Waite Bell Ellard

Plus: Graham Kruezer White



No Jeffy G.? Is Bootsma ready?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:55 pm 
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Taff wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Given what I observed today and trying to "read" what MM is doing I believe Round One will be something like:

B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Bootsma Watson OKeefe
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Robinson
F: Betts Casboult Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Waite Bell Ellard

Plus: Graham Kruezer White



No Jeffy G.? Is Bootsma ready?


The question is where? Jeffy struggled today and was poor in 2012. Needs to improve a number of areas before being in our best 22. As for Bootsma, needs time and games. Will be good.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:02 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Given what I observed today and trying to "read" what MM is doing I believe Round One will be something like:

B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Bootsma Watson OKeefe
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Robinson
F: Betts Casboult Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Waite Bell Ellard

Plus: Graham Kruezer White


That's a good picture you give us their Psych.

I don't think Kreuzer and Duigan will ne missing.
I don't think Waite will be an IC players.
Carrazzo, if captain wont start IC and he'll always do the midfielde tagging/attacking from there imo.
From reports I hear Armfield was a standout.
Garlett has trained well this preseason and seems to always have another gear, and is going to play mid at times.

If Waite and Casboult fill the KPF roles then based on what you've got there Hendo would be CHB, or Heno CHF and Waite CHB (I think the former if Waite is fit).

So the ones to step up in 2013 and to watch out for from your analysis is Bootsma, Watson, O'Keefe, Casboult Bell and maybe Graham. Fair enough. Damn exciting too. Depth.

Really enjoyed your viewpoint. Positional possibilities are great way to see things. No one is right or wrong this far out.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:06 pm 
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Taff wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Given what I observed today and trying to "read" what MM is doing I believe Round One will be something like:

B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Bootsma Watson OKeefe
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Robinson
F: Betts Casboult Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Waite Bell Ellard

Plus: Graham Kruezer White



No Jeffy G.? Is Bootsma ready?



IMO Jeffy didn't have a season like his 2011, but I wouldn't say he was poor.
He kicked a few goals as the 2nd FP. He played further upfield playing to Rattens instruction.
I do know he had personal problems and the bounce didn't go his way like 2011, but he made his luck and looked to have good pace.

I agree he needs to get back to that 2011 form because we all liked that season.
He's young and he has been very very good for a small forward.
His pace is an assett. His footy brain makes him uncanny and difficlut to tag...imo.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:12 pm 
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Thanks BB. Who knows how it will line up. Not my opinion as such just trying to get a "read" on what MM is doing.

I dont worry about mids and positions. Carrots could easily start etc. Its all rotation. Also interesting to see mids pushing through forward line.

As for Jeff G MM was definitely trying him as a HBF. My opinion is because he doesnt have a spot as a small forward with Eddie there. Two is a luxury you cant afford. All the mids played that role today.

Waite I think will play as a third forward and may well play key position when Warnock rests and Casboult into ruck. Given what I saw today and MM's reluctance to play two ruckman its hard to decide what will happen with Kruezer & Hammer. At some stage they will play but how and where???

What was plainly obvious to me today that if all are fit and running Warnock is No.1. but thats a big if.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:01 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Taff wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Given what I observed today and trying to "read" what MM is doing I believe Round One will be something like:

B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Bootsma Watson OKeefe
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Robinson
F: Betts Casboult Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Waite Bell Ellard

Plus: Graham Kruezer White



No Jeffy G.? Is Bootsma ready?


The question is where? Jeffy struggled today and was poor in 2012. Needs to improve a number of areas before being in our best 22. As for Bootsma, needs time and games. Will be good.


I certainly appreciate the difficulty of trying to fit them all in. The good Jeff is breathtaking so I hope we get the chance to see more of that this year. HBF might be a new challenge for him.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:22 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Given what I observed today and trying to "read" what MM is doing I believe Round One will be something like:

B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Bootsma Watson OKeefe
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Robinson
F: Betts Casboult Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Waite Bell Ellard

Plus: Graham Kruezer White


Observations are great but you're going well to "read" what MM is doing from a practice game where Jamo, Henderson, Murphy, Judd, Eddie, Kruezer, Simpson and Waite didnt play.
The NAB cup may give us a better indication but based on my observations today, Bootsma and O'Keefe wont make the 22 and Bell is not there yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:08 pm 
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anyone reckon mitchell may play before casboult?
or is casboult ahead of him due to he's rucking?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:18 pm 
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I will find it interesting to see who is "in our best 22" when it comes to the ruck position.

Whoever is picked as the ruckman for Carlton - I hope he can kick some goals as well.

Warnock - 5 games - 0 goals


Kreuzer - 20 games - 10 goals


Hampson - 13 games - 15 goals
Hampson did spend much more time in the forward line than in ruck comparative to Kreuzer, so technically the best in this regard looks like Kreuzer.

Whoever is their primary ruckman should be aiming for 15-20 goals per season.
Madden in 1987 kicked 20 goals. Kreuzer could get 15-20 goals if fit.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:14 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
I will find it interesting to see who is "in our best 22" when it comes to the ruck position.

Whoever is picked as the ruckman for Carlton - I hope he can kick some goals as well.

Warnock - 5 games - 0 goals


Kreuzer - 20 games - 10 goals


Hampson - 13 games - 15 goals
Hampson did spend much more time in the forward line than in ruck comparative to Kreuzer, so technically the best in this regard looks like Kreuzer.

Whoever is their primary ruckman should be aiming for 15-20 goals per season.
Madden in 1987 kicked 20 goals. Kreuzer could get 15-20 goals if fit.




..oddly enough, looking at Hampson's effort as 2nd ruck/KPF from last season, i think he's our best option if we're going to actually play two genuine rucks.. ..he doesn't have natural KPF craft, but if MM continues to play 2 genuine KPFs at CHF & FF, then part time ruck and 3rd tall resting ruck fwd has hampson written all over it..

..if Krooz is as fit as he looks like he's going to be, i would have him as 1st ruck [75% rucking duty] every day of the week..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:30 pm 
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B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Duigan Henderson Yarran
C: Robinson Carazzo Simpson
HF: Walker Waite Gibbs
F: Betts Casboult Garlett
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy
Int: Mclean Bell Armfield Hampson

mix of pace , height and skill down back,strong in the guts , 3 marking options up forward with good crumbers and creative gibbs and some pace on bench and spare ruckman. when do finals start?


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