You may have missed it Surrey, but we were still playing home games at PP when we had our darkest moments from 2002-2004, which largely stemmed from the 1997-2001 period, all while Collingwood were raking it in at the G and Essendon* stitched up a great deal at Docklands.

You're right in diagnosing some of our problems. Its your solution thats off target.

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My solution is simple and always has been but alas will probably never occur.
It was to play all our interstate games at PP and get 1 or 2 others to do the same. We could have achieved that with some good management instead of having managers looking after themselves and selling our club!
The AFL would have no choice if 2 or 3 or 4 club presidents demanded and proved themselves to get better deals elsewhere and at worse they would get Etihad to play the money ball.
Unfortunately we (with PP & Collo) as the AFL (sale of VFL Park) have fallen hook line and sinker to the Etihad consortium.

ps. Protecting the MCG from interstate clubs until finals also gives Victorian teams an equal footing come September. I'm sure that something the AFL wouldn't want either.
But again why give the Vic teams an advantage. See it's not only about CFC with me.

Surrey, your character assassination of Ian Collins is worrying. You're clearly not getting the full story if you're lumping Collo in with the likes of the AFL head honchos.

My understanding is that Essendon* may be competing with Carlton and want out of Etihad and move to the MCG.

The "darkest moments" have well been discussed on TC, which relates to the administration at the time not Princes Park per se.....

Geelong have about 6-8 games a year at Kardina Park raking in over $600K per game....and increasing year by year from my understanding...

Doesn't change the fact they got a great deal at Docklands while we were at PP so not sure what your point is.

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But a 27,000 capacity stadium in a shitty city like Geelong is exactly whats right for Geelong...

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once powerful money making machine at princess park....
wow!!!

when was that???

yes was better than victoria park... and morrabin.. better than windy oval and glenferrie rd.

but wuld be pretty disastrous nowadays.... even if we were allowed to play our home games there

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Ah yes those were the days 47,000 crowd at Princes Park of a Carlton -v- Collingwood game, pissing down your leg because you couldn't make your way through the crowd to get to a toilet.

Great times, Great times.

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I remember being about 7 or 8 (start of the 80's) standing on the wing under the Hawthorn Stand and I just couldn't see a thing. The blokes in front of us were drinking pretty heavily and told us to pick up their empty beer cans and stand on those so we could see. I bent down to pick up a couple of upright cans on the ground before telling the gents in front - 'You've still got some beer left in those ones on the ground'....they smiled and replied 'That's not beer Sonny'

Ah yes...standing on someone else's Melbourne Bitter cans filled to the brim with their warm piss. Great times, Great times.

And the peanut man......

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I'd take those days back in a heartbeat.

Actually if we could get to the G' I wouldn't mind so much.

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i dont mind those days... but theyre gone along with the Torana

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Peanuts! Peanuts in the bag! Peanuts!

RIP.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Peanuts on the weekend and Porn during the week.

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This a point that has not been further developed. This is a critical point, Carlton has been "mixed" in with these poor Clubs and we have therefore been pulled down to their level by association, finance and loss of home ground advantage. Its unacceptable why clubs like West Coast, Geelong and Sydney are entitled to have a home ground advantage and others like Carlton cannot.

Essendon* have no chance of getting out of their contract before it expires in 2025. Carltons expires, Essendon* will be reneging. Good luck with that lol.

Then it comes down to whose games get moved from the 'G to the dome, and that means Hawthorn and Melbourne might get games moved to Etihad. After 2014 theres still a 40 game minimum requirement at the stadium.

North play 9 home games a year at the Dome - 9
Essendon* play 7 home games at the Dome = 7
Bulldogs play 10 home games at the Dome = 10
Richmond currently play 1 home game at the Dome = 1
St Kilda play 10 home games a year at the Dome = 10

And Assuming Carlton move most of their games to the MCG that leaves us with 3 to play at Etihad, and that would wrap up our interstate opposition nicely.

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Bingo

I have an idea to have our own ground going on that......

We move to Papua New Guinea ... Papuan Headhunters.. NZ.. NZ Quakes...NT Kakadoos.or just "The Doos"... Jakarta Floods... Timor Freedomfighters.....or just move to Geelong and so a Lazarus on AFL Geelong West the Geelong West Blues.(Kardinia)... Then we have a shared ground with one other club or have a bone fide home ground...
Im with you guys and a real home ground advantage....

Which one of those do you want us to be??

You guys should check out your Jacaranda sometime

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How's the money making TD going Synbad?
How's our membership numbers going Synbad?
And last but not least, how's our debt going Synbad?
These where all supposed to be fixed by the move to TD within 5 years.....or atleast that is what you where saying.....

But of course it's all Kernahan's, Ratten's fault or it now Sir Richard's & Mathieson's fault?