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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:38 pm 
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teknodeejay wrote:
Who fits the mould of a superboot at the club from a set shot? Can't imagine there's many (if any)


From outside 50 on the run I would back Zac Touhy. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:42 pm 
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From my long range vantage point I agree with the analysis. In my one game I saw last year v Hawthorn they murdered us on the rebound/interception. Both ends of the ground are a work in process and our top quality are all midfielders with Eddie a shining light up forward. The potential is there and I'd like to think MM and RW have the knowledge, skills and experience to make them into a strength. I note from the training report that MM is working closely with young Watto which is a good sign. Keeping the list and our quality healthy is going to be the big issue if past years are anything to go by (read J Waite and Jammo...)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:47 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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He certainly threw the stats around like Ratts did.



We'd disagree with you there. Ratts (and he's not alone) was using the wrong stats. Even Teddy Hopkins will tell you that. Coaches are coming around to analysing the game a little differently but the importance is to get the stats right - deliver them appropriately - but not to get away from the basics too much. If you get the basics right - you'll be a good footy side. Our boys have been a little confused over recent years as they played in strict accordance with the Ratten gameplan - but in doing so, lost the basics and in some instances the creativity that got them to be professional footballers to begin with.

With Malthouse and Wiley - we can be assured the players will be given a role within the gameplan. They won't shy away from the stats, but they're more than likely going to have a different set of parameters by which to measure performance.


Huh, when did I ever talk about statistics?



Anyway the only statistics that count are the basics. When we have the ball, they have the ball, and when the ball is in dispute (with apologies to the late Allen Jeans).

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:29 pm 
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Huh, when did I ever talk about statistics?.


You mean aside from revolutionising the collecting of stats during an AFL game and making millions from it in the process? Next to never....well at least the individual whom you've named yourself after for the purposes of this forum did. You should read the book.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:31 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:25 am 
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The Malthouse mantra is defence defence and defence and then we go from there

Turnovers killed us last year so keeping possession and not giving up the ball will be a key

I personally am not convinced about us making the eight even with a good run with injuries although I hope I am wrong

Some of our players didnt step up when others fell due to injury

Stats are wonderful but dont tell the whole story.

Some of our so called stars were pathetic with their efforts

Collingwood
Geelong
Freo
Hawks
Swans
North
Adelaide
Carlton
Richmond
StKilda
West Coast
Essendon*
even Brisbane all have claims in making the eight this year

It drops away a lot with the other 5 teams

That means 5 teams are going to miss
So I reckon even with a fit list we are going to have to improve on our 2011 season just to make it

One of the most important things about playing finals is how many times a team plays Gold Coast, Port , GWS, Melbourne and the Bulldogs

The way the comp is designed is [REDACTED] because of this simple factor and needs to be addressed.

For instance the best team from last year plays the worst team last year twice all because they are from the same city
How [REDACTED] is that


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:26 am 
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..much less about injuries [though they didn't help], and far more about gameplan, set-ups and team-work.. ..we looked fragile even before the injury toll got severe, likewise we made finals the 3 previous seasons with injuries to key talls too.. ..our system for 2013 [or lack of] exposed us far more than the injuries did..

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:45 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Huh, when did I ever talk about statistics?.


You mean aside from revolutionising the collecting of stats during an AFL game and making millions from it in the process? Next to never....well at least the individual whom you've named yourself after for the purposes of this forum did. You should read the book.



Screen pseudonym clearly >>> real person.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:39 am 
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Bah
Surely Malthouse = Premiership?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:18 am 
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Really liked the write-up.

For mine role clarity may be the single most important driver of team success. If Malthouse can introduce and ingrain this into our team, who knows what they might be capable of. From the outside looking in, it appears like there's been a fair amount of freelancing going on (scores against off turnovers might be an indicator of this).


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:15 pm 
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Nice article.

For a Nth Melbourne supporter this guys knows a lot about Carlton.

Agree with his remark about Ch 7 wanting to show anything "non-football" during games too.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:22 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Nice article.

For a Nth Melbourne supporter this guys knows a lot about Carlton.

Agree with his remark about Ch 7 wanting to show anything "non-football" during games too.


You shouldn't be surprised he knows so much abbout Calrton Big Kev.

Every footy conversation I have anywhere in Aust and I tell you the person I'm talking to knows a lot about Carlton even if they don't barrack for us. People know Collingwood but there's more imo that they know about Carlton than they do Collingwood.

Maybe that's just me.
From that I just play on what I think they expect (and I bet they wish they could be so Carlton for their team though) so I just say...

We are Carlton....let the rest worry about us... they know we're coming...I am Carlton...Carlton.
Grass is always greener...but we are respected more than some TCers think.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:30 pm 
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Thanks for the 'heads up' Doc.
Bloody good read.
Best read of the summer.

Really surprised a few more players weren't considered for potential....Whitey for eg.
Was it written before xmas?

I reckon we'll win a flag this year or next and pinch another thereafter.
I reckon we're hot if our best are on the park and we're managed by a proven master.
I think the author is saying that in a roundabout way.

Casboult Hampson Kreuzer Waite Henderson all KPF options. That's fire power.
Then add Walker Garlett returning to best performances again to join with Betts.
There's plenty of forwards...with no expectation for Menzel.

Now its our turn to give MM a Carlton Premiership and I reckon it will be quicker than it took to him to get Collingwoods first flag.

Go Blues.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:49 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Nice article.

For a Nth Melbourne supporter this guys knows a lot about Carlton.

Agree with his remark about Ch 7 wanting to show anything "non-football" during games too.

Being a North supporter would leave you with plenty of time on your hands to observe an exciting club!
Outstanding analysis, thanks for passing it on Doc.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:14 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Huh, when did I ever talk about statistics?.


You mean aside from revolutionising the collecting of stats during an AFL game and making millions from it in the process? Next to never....well at least the individual whom you've named yourself after for the purposes of this forum did. You should read the book.


Oh, that Teddy Hopkins. :oops:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:30 pm 
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I thought you were talking about the water skier.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:02 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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Makes a mockery of the beer sodden offerings from Mark Robinson, and the other so called AFL football media experts. :roll:


...when they get desperate, they regularly steal Scotty's stuff. Remarkably, not only are most of his analysis' accurate, they're often done at 3am and/or when inebriated.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:45 pm 
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too many injuries?
not enough talent?

I am backing by the end of 2013 our list will be considered one of the 3 best lists in the league........i am backing that the difference between our the mediocre decade we have just experienced and what we'll see over the next 5 years is attitude!

yep, like all competitive endeavours the difference between success and failure is often between the ears.

I am backing MM to be instrumental in a change in fortune for the Blues.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:17 pm 
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Great read, fantastic analysis.

Though scary to think a key injury or two might derail our year, again.

Hopefully MM, RW and co can ensure we are much more consistent and deliver more of our best footy than not.

We lost a lot of respect last year. I'm hoping the internal theme at the club is 'redemption' with the players themselves driving it.

I am saving any and all judgment until the real stuff starts.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:29 pm 
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I look forward to reading his Essendon* forecast (as long as he reckons they're crap).


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