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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:58 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Everything we have seen of Kruezer and Hampson has been with Ratts as our coach.

I am a half glass full observer and believe that a new set of experienced coaches will generate different results from our list.

Human potential is a wonderful thing, and I remain convinced we are yet to see the best from a number of players.

Krueze is one that springs to mind.

Let's think beyond the stands and our couches that we have sat in for the last 5 years........ trusting in the journey ahead and confident that we have no way of accurately predicting what latent talent and human endeavor will emerge in 2013.


I don't see us kicking as many goals this season, so we may lose a couple we normally pencil in. For example, I could see the Tigers getting us in round one because their tails might be up early, but I'm hopeful we are more competitive against the contenders.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:36 pm 
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..waite is our best option as our main fwd, the issue is he doesn't play enough games consecutively for us to build a fwd line around him.. ..when hes fit fantastic, but we need to be building for his absence.. ..i agree that krooz is at his best as the main ruckman, and i believe that when fully fit is a league ahead of either hammer or knockers.. .he's very dangerous up fwd when he's rucking and pushing fwd on his opposite ruck.. ..less so as a kpf vs a kpd.. ..hammer plays very well as a tall resting ruck fp, sheer size and good goal kicking accuracy will see him hit the scoreboard regularly, especially when we play 2 kpf's to be the main targets.. ..hammer as a 2nd ruck plays very well.. ..i think knockers is very 1 dimensional, good tap ruckman but not better enough over krooz or hammer, and hammer can play fwd, krooz is an excellant follower, knockers doesnt have much after the tapout.. ..he needs to develope more to his game, or increase his durability to ever hold down the number one ruck longterm, too much good competition for him with us..

..hendo is our best chf option.. ..has the experience now, body thru enough pre-seasons, great work ethic and natural chf smarts.. ..how quickly watson comes on, and also like if levi leaps fwd as a chf option [his natural game], i think where hendo plays will revolve more around the team needs..

He might be our best forward but it's where is his best position is what I was bringing up.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:33 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Everything we have seen of Kruezer and Hampson has been with Ratts as our coach.


Yep. Goes for everyone.

From what we're hearing so far is Watson and White are impressing. Gibbs is being pushed to work harder in anticipation of a midfield role and everyone is up and going full tilt.

This means different players will jump which we may not expect and different things will be tried throughout the pre season and early games.

Personally I don't care who plays or where I just want to see us more competitive against the top sides and thrashing the lower sides and come later in the year we will be right in the mix.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:46 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
This means different players will jump which we may not expect and different things will be tried throughout the pre-season and early games.


Could also be quite a fight for the two nominated rookie spots.
Bell has been guaranteed one and you'd imagine that Curnow may have also felt somewhat comfortable, but we now have Collins and O'Keeffe really showing up.

That McInnes LTI won't last long either as he's moving along very well and may be back sooner than expected.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:31 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
london blue wrote:
Everything we have seen of Kruezer and Hampson has been with Ratts as our coach.


Yep. Goes for everyone.

From what we're hearing so far is Watson and White are impressing. Gibbs is being pushed to work harder in anticipation of a midfield role and everyone is up and going full tilt.

This means different players will jump which we may not expect and different things will be tried throughout the pre season and early games.

Personally I don't care who plays or where I just want to see us more competitive against the top sides and thrashing the lower sides and come later in the year we will be right in the mix.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:03 am 
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london blue wrote:
...... Gibbs is being pushed to work harder in anticipation of a midfield role and everyone is up and going full tilt.
Yeah disappointing if true does he really have to be pushed? Or do they say we want you in the midfield, go for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:15 am 
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Blue Boots wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..waite is our best option as our main fwd, the issue is he doesn't play enough games consecutively for us to build a fwd line around him.. ..when hes fit fantastic, but we need to be building for his absence.. ..i agree that krooz is at his best as the main ruckman, and i believe that when fully fit is a league ahead of either hammer or knockers.. .he's very dangerous up fwd when he's rucking and pushing fwd on his opposite ruck.. ..less so as a kpf vs a kpd.. ..hammer plays very well as a tall resting ruck fp, sheer size and good goal kicking accuracy will see him hit the scoreboard regularly, especially when we play 2 kpf's to be the main targets.. ..hammer as a 2nd ruck plays very well.. ..i think knockers is very 1 dimensional, good tap ruckman but not better enough over krooz or hammer, and hammer can play fwd, krooz is an excellant follower, knockers doesnt have much after the tapout.. ..he needs to develope more to his game, or increase his durability to ever hold down the number one ruck longterm, too much good competition for him with us..

..hendo is our best chf option.. ..has the experience now, body thru enough pre-seasons, great work ethic and natural chf smarts.. ..how quickly watson comes on, and also like if levi leaps fwd as a chf option [his natural game], i think where hendo plays will revolve more around the team needs..

He might be our best forward but it's where is his best position is what I was bringing up.


..waite or hendo are you talking about..?..

..waite is best up fwd, for himself and the team.. ..ideally he'd be a 3rd tall that can roam, but until we have better KPFs i think his athleticism and presence will keep him as our focal point..

..hendo likewise i believe is a better chf than chb, although that's not detracting at all from his defensi9ve play since he's very good at either end.. ..for the team, i likewise think that we're closer to finding a good chb in watson or mcinnes, than we are at finding a chf, with levi really needing to sort out his kicking.. ..either way though i hope he's kept either fwd or back and allowed to really grow in the one position, since at his age and experience he's really ready to excell.. ..being moved fwd and back can only stall him at the moment..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:25 am 
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It may not be our best 22 right at the moment, but a team I'd love to see by years end being our best 22 and ready for finals is:

B: Touhy, Jamo, McCarthy
CB: Yarran, Hendo, Laidler
M: Simpson, Gibbs, Carazzo
CF: Walker, Waite, Menzel
F: Betts, Mitchell, Garlett
R: Kreuzer, Murphy, Judd
IC: Robinson, Hampson, Scotland (Buckley)

I'd love to see McCarthy, Mitchell, Menzel and Buckley all get given a go and hopefully prove that they are ready... Bell could put some serious pressure on too.
These guys appear to have more upside than Curnow, Armfield, Duigan, Casboult, Ellard, White, Davies, McLean, Lucas, Joseph and Watson with respect to height (where applicable) and skill level, however these players will be handy depth...
I just don't know about Warnock either???
Shame about McInnes, looked the goods and hopefully can put some pressure on later in the year.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:44 am 
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Smurph wrote:
It may not be our best 22 right at the moment, but a team I'd love to see by years end being our best 22 and ready for finals is:

B: Touhy, Jamo, McCarthy
CB: Yarran, Hendo, Laidler
M: Simpson, Gibbs, Carazzo
CF: Walker, Waite, Menzel
F: Betts, Mitchell, Garlett
R: Kreuzer, Murphy, Judd
IC: Robinson, Hampson, Scotland (Buckley)



Not having a shot at you here Smurph, but what do some of us see in Buckley ahead of some obviously more developed players?
Is it the family name that suggests he'll be more than he has shown to date?

Having said that, I really have to give it to the kid as he won't die wondering in anything he does.
Would be very surprised should he get a game this year let alone be in our best team, but if he should make, it I'll be at the head of the queue to pat him on the back.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:44 am 
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If he had of played a full season McLean probably have won our best and fairest ... I dont understand how he could be left out of our best side.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:47 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
If he had of played a full season McLean probably won our best and fairest ... I dont understand how he could be left out of our best side.


Correct. McLean isn't missing a beat at training so far, and is looking as good as he had this time last year.

Very sharp and finds it hard to miss the goals from just about any angle on the run. (O.K., walk)


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:20 pm 
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..agreed, handshakes is the sort of player that involves team-mates as well.. ..good hands in close, knows when to spread, and can run all day.. ..if he can remain as fit as last year, continuity will see him maintain last year's standard, when proper fit he's a very good player and is still mid-20s so can stay at a very good level for years [if he stays injury free]..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:54 pm 
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McLean is in if fully fit. Can't be 90% etc.

With the game becoming a roving maul at times he is invaluable. Guys like he and Carrazzo, Bell, Robinson doing the grunt work will make Gibbs, Murphy & Judd so much better especially with the "team" football MM will want them playing.

Seriously, with the midfield we have and are building supported by a proper structure and game plan top 4 should be very achieveable.

Rotations of McLean, Robinson, Bell, Touhy, Ellard, Curnow, Duigan (even Temay & Graham at times) around the ball supporting our outside run in Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Yarran, Lucas, Bootsma, Scotland, Garlett, Menzel, Walker, Buckley, Dale & Armfield other sides better watch out.

I don't care what our forward set up is that midfield will cut anyone up! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:17 pm 
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Team for Round 1

B: Touhy, Jamo, White
CB: Yarran, Hendo, Laidler
M: Simpson, Gibbs, Carazzo
CF: Garlett, Waite, Menzel
F: Betts, Casboult, Walker
R: Warnock, Murphy, Judd
IC: Robinson, Kreuzer, McLean (Lucas)

Team for Finals

B: Armfield, Jamo, Laidler
CB: Yarran, Hendo, McInnes
M: Simpson, Gibbs, Carazzo
CF: Garlett, Waite, Menzel
F: Betts, Rowe, Walker
R: Kreuzer, Murphy, Judd
IC: Robinson, Hampson , McLean (Bell)

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:01 pm 
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Menzel in round 1 hey??


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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..waite or hendo are you talking about..?..

Yeah it was Waite I meant.

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..waite is best up fwd, for himself and the team.. ..ideally he'd be a 3rd tall that can roam, but until we have better KPFs i think his athleticism and presence will keep him as our focal point..


..hendo likewise i believe is a better chf than chb, although that's not detracting at all from his defensi9ve play since he's very good at either end.. ..for the team, i likewise think that we're closer to finding a good chb in watson or mcinnes, than we are at finding a chf, with levi really needing to sort out his kicking.. ..either way though i hope he's kept either fwd or back and allowed to really grow in the one position, since at his age and experience he's really ready to excell.. ..being moved fwd and back can only stall him at the moment..

Yeah, he (Waite) has been our main focal point and we've needed him down there. But this year, what role(s) he plays may depend on where Henderson plays, how often, or the wildcard is actually Sam Rowe, fitness and whether he is good enough pending.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Would like to see Henderson play CHF. Always thought he is our best option there but I feel with only Jamison now as our seasoned defender, Henderson will be required back. Pity but I don't see Watson, McCarthy or McInnes ready to play KP back for 22 rounds just yet. Bootsma is the other who has size but needs body.
More options forward than back for 2013.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:48 pm 
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Menzel in round 1 hey??


Big ask imo.

Needs a lot of kms in the legs to build stamina, let alone reptitive sprints and sprint coaching.
Then his head has to think of what his body can achieve at full AFL pace...MM style.
I reckon Menzel will start in the ressies....especially if we have a full healthy list to pick come round 1.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:57 pm 
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Would like to see Henderson play CHF. Always thought he is our best option there but I feel with only Jamison now as our seasoned defender, Henderson will be required back. Pity but I don't see Watson, McCarthy or McInnes ready to play KP back for 22 rounds just yet. Bootsma is the other who has size but needs body.
More options forward than back for 2013.


I' the same Surrey.
Love Hendo down back, but for me if push came to shove I'd have Hendo CHF.
The only reason I would have him CHB was if someone was equal or better than Hendo at CHF.

Given I expect we will play a more team oriented style with a defensive backdrop with MM, I reckon White and maybe even Watson could hold CHB, and White could step into Jamos role no problem....who knows, White might be better than Jamo circa 2013.

Plenty of support for backmen post Ratten me thinks.

When you look at the team with that mindset, I reckon we also be able to blood more players throughout the year ala rotational policy, and we will see the likes of McCarthy and maybe Mitchell if he's more nimble then end of last season (due to injury), and Rowe and Casboult are strong enough bodies to rotate there. McInnes will return to the team and may cement a spot by finals.

What would happen to all our Best 22 teams if Rowe becomes MM's and therefore our Leigh Brown?

Our stocks are still young, but the quality is there and they have had a couple of preseasons into them.
Anything can happen in 2013, and its going to be better than last year...strap your seat.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Menzel in round 1 hey??


Big ask imo.

Needs a lot of kms in the legs to build stamina, let alone reptitive sprints and sprint coaching.
Then his head has to think of what his body can achieve at full AFL pace...MM style.
I reckon Menzel will start in the ressies....especially if we have a full healthy list to pick come round 1.

Super sub ala fasolo a couple of years ago

Good enough to start

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