But keogh cant be wrong?

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Keogh, Synbad (and others) - if the club was more transparent - would you consider taking out a membership? e.g - If they explained certain paths they were going down via, for example - the 'Blue Print' once a month - would you be satisfied?

Surely if you got some satisfactory answers back you'd consider taking out a membership? For example - Synbad didn't like the stuff ups that come all the way through to the Ratts extensions...and then the sackings of him and his assistants.. the VFL part time headmaster coach last season....Plus the rejection of the Kilkenny...but if you'd received some professional answers along the way - even if you didn't agree with them - you'd be ok with that?

Or would you remain to be a back-seat supporter?

Professonal answers about why they dont have any real processes' and why the club is treading water?
Id like to see a thorough independant assesment of the cub ... id like to see the recommendations... from top to bottom.
Now that is the kind of transparency id be happy knowing the club took.

Ive been on record saying that for 4 or 5 years now...
Mathieson has also said it publicly but for one reason or another the club refuses to......

so we have these Ratten /part time VFL headmaster coach / flying blokes down from Ireland who refuse usto go to a more professional outfitt... situations..

Yeah is they undertook an independant review of the footy club from top to bottom and too the steps reccmended .. id say they are fair dinkum...

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I would like to see a "line by line" review of all club operations including performance reviews of all those in charge of departments and managing any staff, (in particular the Trainers .)

And if the answer to any questions in that review is "that's the way we have always done things here" then it should be grounds for instant dismissal.

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Consultants? That'll please Keogh.

I'll do it for $30,000.

Do you believe we need one or not?

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As stated last year, I've long been an advocate for what Richmond have done whereby they have engaged the services of the Hay Group to review the operation of the existing Board as a whole (and its individual members) to ensure that the Board is well placed to achieve its stated objectives in the most effective and efficient manner.

what I am saying is the board needs to look at the possibility
How much would it cost the club
Things change
Sit on your collective arses and dont do anything is the wrong thing to do

That's a better answer.

The club should at least look at it so they know if it'll work or not. We can argue all we like, but if the club looks at it then they have the answers.

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 2ca9a.html

A possibility it seems for Collingwood and Essendon*.

A still consider it a silly idea - in the case of the ANZAC clash - this is a jingoistic and disgraceful conflation of war with a game of football.....

I'm sure there'd be one or two on the board who'd be keen to look into it. It wouldn't be the most pressing of issues but there's no reason as to why you couldn't investigate the possibility. I'd still be looking into China or Korea purely as an opportunity to tie-in with sponsorship. An Air China deal would be great...Collingwood have barely scratched the surface with what you can do with a airline sponsorship. And China is the biggest target for international growth of the code. The AFL have said as much.

So the first port of call where Carlton is concerned is to contact Tony Woods who is the AFL's International Development Manager. Next - get together with Cameron Schwab at Melbourne to discuss their experience in the China market and the possibility of promoting it....toe in the water stuff early and then build some momentum with partnership announcements, venues, media releases etc. Earmark 2015 as potential date. Contact the People's Government of Tianjin City (Tianjin is Melbourne's sister city in China and this would be the way to garner more support from Victorian State Government and Melbourne City Council). Work with aforementioned agencies. Site visit (including one senior player during off-season for promotional purposes) to Tianjin Olympic Central Stadium. The Stadium was used for the Beijing Olympics. Holds 60,000. Has a length of 380 meters, a width of 270 meters.



There's also a nice historical tie-in. Wally Koochew was the first Victorian Football League player of Chinese background and played four games for Carlton in 1908. Koochew’s son Wally Jnr played for Melbourne reserves and his great grandson James Koochew served as a statistician at Carlton in the 1990s.

Ok...that took me all of 5 minutes. It's an easy sell and an easy write-up. Put some financials against it and make it look pretty and Keogh - you have yourself a game in China in 2015.

So the true blue financial Members of the Club will be watching the game from an ipad or sling box tv in Australia?

This is another example of removing the game from its members and supporters in the interests of making money....

You could have a defeatist attitude to it...OR you could embrace the fact that it's the 21st century, we're not flushed with corporate sponsorship cash and this is an opportunity to establish long-term partnerships for the benefit of the club and in the long-term, the supporters.



I'd suggest if it were 4 points (only way I'd be interested) it'd be televised live. Just like the game against Freo or West Coast in Perth. Bit of a no-brainer really.

1. I note your pot-shot - Contrary to being defeatist, I want victory for Carlton as being the best in the business. Only a developed Princes Park can achieve this.
2. The logical conclusion of your position is that all games would be ultimately played overseas and interstate, not in Melbourne. The Club may in fact lose Members if games are played overseas.

A developed Princes Park??? No. Never gonna happen. Not even on the drawing board. Forget it.



We're talking about one game per year FFS! What on earth would lead you to that delusional conclusion?

We are swearing now? A cogent method of argument....

It most often is. Haven't been too many conversations I've had at Board level without the use of the odd swear word. There's no pot shots here - but it's pointless bringing up a return to Princes Park because it's a dead conversation. If you think the only way Carlton can be 'the best in the business' is a developed Princes Park then you're barking up the wrong tree. For all intent and purpose - it is developed. End of story. Although in my lifetime I'm betting that I'll witness the removal of the Legends Stand.

The Kaspersky cup in Shanghai a couple years back...



Looks like around 1,000 people, mainly ex-pats with a sprinkle of locals... out of a population of 1.4 billion.

No-one gives a @#$%&! about AFL beyond our shores... question, do we want to degrade our club like this... for a quick buck?

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