Evolutionary NOT revolutionary

Yeah but its innovative, so who cares

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You're both spot on...

It seems that we all want our club to better connect with it's fan base... sending home games overseas to markets that couldn't give a %$#& about AFL isn't conducive to that goal. It's nothing more than a short term financial gain but may be detrimental in the long run.

I'm not going to pretend I have the answers but I perceive sending home games interstate/international as a last resort for a club.

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The way the league is set up these days with the big shots at AFL calling the shots almost down to who will be playing finals season to season i cant see any reason why anyone would bother investing in club membership other than getting into games cheaper.
It is entertainment. The whole idea of being a part of club goes straight over my head and i know most of my friends feel the same.
Buying a membership to me when i don't go to many games would make me feel like i am being taken for a ride by AD and co.

Contributing in getting us to the MCG is a good reason to buy one i guess. Then i would go to more games and then want a membership to save bucks.

I hope those in charge of the club are looking into other ways to make us better than just getting members because there are only so many carlton supporters out there that are that into it.

Collingwood have the advantage with membership because their demographic are right into handing their money over to be part of an AFL football club.

I see no reason to connect with the club in the modern environment.

basically what club29 said

Which part Rexy? The part where he says the competition is rigged by the governing body..



...or the mistake most Carlton supporters make with Collingwood's demographic?

Sure, they have their fair share of nuff-nuffs, but one only needs to glance at Carlton's facebook page to see the Blues do to. I know my Collingwood supporting friends are teachers, lawyers and doctors.

This following statement was a good point though...





They are. But they're trying to make money. That's a key part of their core business. Like all clubs, they're trying to promote themselves accordingly so people will want more of their product. Here's where you have to view the club as being in the entertainment business.



Modern environment meaning you're happy to watch on TV? Not satisfied with value for money? I understand why people aren't members, and people are also members for differing reasons - to feel 'a part of the place' isn't wholly a determining factor for many either.

Ok so its buy a membership so we might go to the G...

nice one....

Whatabout why so many people dont buy memberships???

You know? disconnect????

The great Carlton divide.

Before you guys can look at the G you have to fix the disconnect the club has with so many......

Youre putting the cart before the horse... and crappy argument.... if i may say

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All depends what level of expectation you have Synbad. Are you really that disconnected? Discontented maybe. See I chose to disconnect myself in 2012. It was unsatisfaction with some decision making. But I didn't know the full story. Had that been spelled out to me earlier - then I may have forgiven the bad decision making and the way it was communicated. And that's where the club has let itself down (IMO) the most. It hasn't understood the supporter, and hasn't communicated to them like they should be communicated to. They are now on their way to doing that. If you don't see it now - you'll see it soon.

Before you look at the 'G??? Have you not been reading? The negotiations commence this year. Greg Swann's most important role this season should be to present a compelling case as to why Carlton should move to the MCG. If you leave it too late, you're stuck with an Etihad deal. It's now or never.

I am betting GWS and GC make the finals in three years time if not before then. Sydney will always be up there. The pies will always get loads of games on the same ground.

Only an opinion about Collingwood fans but it looks pretty obvious to me. There are always exceptions like the teachers and doctors and carlton facebook pagers you speak of. Go to a Mill Park maccas 3 hours before a pies game and you will find it chock full of them. All part of the game day experience which they will hand down to their children.

By modern environment i am referring to the AFL having their hands on too much. Tv too. Also the economy. Why would anyone give money away to connect with a football club??

For me it is watch them play on TV or live, cheer on the blue team, review the game and tactics and watch reserves for future talent the following day before moving onto the next weeks game.

The club should offer memberships that get you into games cheaper as you go. Like a concession card. No cap, mag, phone calls from judd, invites, voting rights, finals tickets or anything else like that. Just a blank card that costs $50 that gets $8 taken off at the gate.

Discontened and disconnected.

Not sure how its an exclusive club.

and as for the G.. Essendon* play at the Dome but have more members than us... and travelling worse....

Its straw clutching...

International games in Siberia.... get your membership so we can play at the G....

But falling behind the other big games.... and one eliminational finals win in 10 years under the belt.. plus a heap of stuff ups that come all the way through to the Ratts extensions.. and then the sackings of him and his assistants.. and unable to field a full house of coaches..
The VFL part time headmaster coach last season and the Robert Wiley jack of all trades this year.....
Plus the rejections of the Irish boom recruit.. and some assiatant coaches...

Add that to an underperforming corporate sponsorship book...
And an Oligarchical ownership at the very top... cos they are asked to keep tipping in cos the club cant manage to stand up on its own two feet...

But yeah..... the new mantra is ... "Buy your memebership so one day we can play at the G"

We WILL play at the G when we get our shit together enough to play off in a GF....

thats the on ly time i give a @#$%&! about whether were playing at the G or the Dome...

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Will the members want it
one home game overseas on tv around 5.00 wouldnt be a problem and the AFL could give us an extra home game in Melbourne
will it increase our membership as a result
likely with the number of people in Asia
will our players be worse off from travel during the season
I am advocating one game. Answer no. Their flower professional athletes. You can play in heat in Perth or humidity in Brisbane depending on the time of year. There can be an 8 day break or play the game before the bye
Is there a long term benefit to the club
possibly. Nope is a dumb answer
are the leading clubs doing this
This response sums up the old fashioned arrogant redundant Carlton attitiude
NOPE
Kerna we arnt are leading club at the moment. Havent been for a decade We are average or below in every area. So we dont do it because neither is Essendon* or Collingwood.
Oh I get it its StKilda that team that has one premiership and that was one by one point with a flukey kick. Ateam that has basically pantsed us if you look at the last ten years
lets see how it all goes in Wellington on Anzac day

Your answer to the last question sums up the problem Carlton has had.
An arrogance to not look at something that could be great because we are so flower good that we dont have to do it.

You need to pull your head out of the eighties time warp it resides in.
The saints have been far more successful in the last decade. Our efforts on and off the field in comparison have been pathetic

I like keogh. He's grumpier than me.

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a) they wouldn't be allowed by the AFL and b) they wouldn't want to. It's a business, not a charity.

I think there's a bit of a misconception as to what a membership is. It's just a season ticket of different varieties. With some parameters. There is a club constitution that needs to be adhered to - so for varying reasons it's a little more than a season ticket, it's a membership. It should, in most instances give the individual who holds one a right to vote and should the club fold it means you're handing over $50 as well.

If you don't want to join - that's perfectly ok. No one is forcing you. I think people are stupid for joining a gym when they would save thousands via other methods. But some view it as the only way they can keep fit. Some view a season ticket as the only way they can get their Carlton fill...the entertainment value of the atmosphere that no TV has can ever replicate.

But aside from corporate sponsorship, TV rights cash and monies from investments, the club relies on membership sales as a major financial boon to its coffers. And it will be membership in 2013 and 2014 that has a large bearing on the direction of our football club. I do not want to take my children to Etihad in 5 years and tell them it's our home ground. The equation is pretty simple for me although part of my positivity is based on some of the action the club has taken in the off-season.

Yep and if they cant get the membership and corporate figures up.... we are too blame ot them.

Id love to know who is sharing responsibility with us the supporters with the way the club is....

anyone??

Or is just some of us???


See to me thats the salient point...

If supporters are the key.. why have they been marginalised??

thats a can of worms asking that question.

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I don't have all the facts and figures at hand either but every club has a responsibility to maximize its revenue.
Hawthorn jumped the gun and got involved with Tasmania. Best guess would be that several other Melbourne based clubs wish they had have now.

Short, medium and long term scenarios must be constantly explored and reviewed and what seems like the ridiculous today may well be the norm in ten/twenty years time.
Getting to the MCG in 2015 is a no-brainer and may be all that most of us care about now, but we're not allowed to take our eye off the bigger picture and if that means getting a slice of the action in New Zealand, South Africa, China etc. then so be it.

The last two sentences are the key. Well said
I reckon you can talk as much as you like about connecting to members etc the bottom line is that the world may rotate at the same pace astronomically speaking but change is getting faster and faster. Clubs are going to have to find new ways of creating new revenue to keep afloat

For those opposed to playing one game overseas tell me where can you play in Australia where the game can expand with an AFL presence. Ballarat, Wagga Albury/Wodonga and maybe one or two other regional areas. And that can only happen with upgrading of the grounds.

The way forward is partly to look towards playing at least one game overseas.

The board should at least look at it
The best time to play(weather patterns)
Facilities
Insurance
Travel and working with the AFL and the people who design the draw to compensate for recovery from the travel
Marketing the game
Playing the game a weekend there isnt a big sporting event in that country
Time zones and TV time in Australia

The board should look at this and cost it then go to Andy and say we are looking at playing a game overseas for 4 premiership points

Now I am not one for kissing the bosses arse but the AFL and Andy D have made no secret of their desire to go international and if they and the two federal governments tipped in some money it might not cost much at all to do it

You are exposing yourself to a completely new population base.
I agree the game will never be truly international but that isnt a concern. There may be huge benefits in terms of sponsorship which is the number one revenue raiser. Membership as well

Look think back 30 years when the Swans went to Sydney. Nobody thought it would work. It has . Its still a rugby city but because its in a population base of 4 million people it works. So much so that there is now 2 teams.

Things people didnt think were possible happpen but they can only happen if the people running the show at least look at it from the beginning.
Look forward 30 years from now.
Can anyone predict that the Pratts and Mathiesons will be supplying this club cash.
No you cant
One things almost certain
Jeannie and Bruce will be dead and buried and that can change things

Playing AFL games overseas is a silly idea - Sounds like the AFL Commission are trying to franchise the AFL Code internationally like World Wrestling, X-Factor and American Idol