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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:59 pm 
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Get it will you " people love winners ." When Eddie took over collingwood were shit only when they started winning did their finances turn around .
Why are the dogs always broke because they are shit , their finances improve when they make finals then disaappear quickly .
The CEO of the swans knows this as well . Win and they will come
The rest is just fluff and buster

The most successful football club in the world Man U why because they win
People dont put their hard earned into losers
Port Adelaide were making money 10 years back Why - they were winning

Success breds success

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:25 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Get it will you " people love winners ." When Eddie took over collingwood were shit only when they started winning did their finances turn around .
Why are the dogs always broke because they are shit , their finances improve when they make finals then disaappear quickly .
The CEO of the swans knows this as well . Win and they will come
The rest is just fluff and buster

The most successful football club in the world Man U why because they win
People dont put their hard earned into losers
Port Adelaide were making money 10 years back Why - they were winning

Success breds success


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:46 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Get it will you " people love winners ." When Eddie took over collingwood were shit only when they started winning did their finances turn around .
Why are the dogs always broke because they are shit , their finances improve when they make finals then disaappear quickly .
The CEO of the swans knows this as well . Win and they will come
The rest is just fluff and buster

The most successful football club in the world Man U why because they win
People dont put their hard earned into losers
Port Adelaide were making money 10 years back Why - they were winning

Success breds success


Crap.
North were extremely successful in the 90s. Did that transfer to off field success?
Hawthorn are far more successful off the field than they ever were during their glory years. Richmond are outperforming us yet we have been a significantly better team over the past few years.
Expecting on-field success to answer our deficiencies is lazy and uninformed IMHO. Collingwood lead the pack because they embrace their supporter base and make them feel included.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:53 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Get it will you " people love winners ." When Eddie took over collingwood were shit only when they started winning did their finances turn around .
Why are the dogs always broke because they are shit , their finances improve when they make finals then disaappear quickly .
The CEO of the swans knows this as well . Win and they will come
The rest is just fluff and buster

The most successful football club in the world Man U why because they win
People dont put their hard earned into losers
Port Adelaide were making money 10 years back Why - they were winning

Success breds success


Crap.
North were extremely successful in the 90s. Did that transfer to off field success?
Hawthorn are far more successful off the field than they ever were during their glory years. Richmond are outperforming us yet we have been a significantly better team over the past few years.
Expecting on-field success to answer our deficiencies is lazy and uninformed IMHO. Collingwood lead the pack because they embrace their supporter base and make them feel included.



And after a 20 year period of sustained success from 1971 to 1991 - where they won 8 flags, they were nearly broke and were all for merging with Melbourne by the mid-90s. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Was the club song discussed?

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Fluking a Premiership in Season 2013 wont sort these things out. :wink:



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:44 am 
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Crap is it - Let me put this in simple terms so you might understand how people are

Buying a membership is a season ticket to see a game - basically you by a pass to see a show

Now lets compare it to another form of entertainment so you can get a clear understanding of what happens

Lets say collingwood is Village Cinemas and Carlton is Hoyts

Village is attracting more people so the people from Hoyts go over and have a look whats happening
They come back with a list
Village seats are bigger and more comfortable - So Hoyts does the same
Village are offering larger popcorn - so Hoyts does the same
Village Choc tops taste better - So Hoyts gets the same
Village puts in a Games Arcade and attracts more money- So Hoyts does the same
Village then introduces meals and grog and service - So Hoyts does the same

Now despite all this Hoyts still isnt able to attract the patrons - Village has local business forming a line to get their advertising on their screens - Hoyts cannot for the life of them figure out what going on they talk to people and ask them for advice and the only advice they ever get is to change the manager

But answer is simple the Village cinema show better movies they have all the block busters week in week out whilst Hoyts they have the occassional blockbuster but most of the the time they are showing 'B' grade movies which no one want to watch so no one want to spend all their hard earned on B grade crap movies - Of course the will be the occassional diehard who will never visit the Village Cinemas because it is full of all the local bogans , but in the end if Hoyts wants to attract the crowds that Village does they better start showing better movies .

It is that simple and I for the life of me cannot understand how people just don't get it

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:49 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
It is that simple and I for the life of me cannot understand how people just don't get it

One word...Richmond. They continually show crap movies, but people still fork up their dough time and time again. They're like the Michael Bay of the AFL.

We on the other hand, are the George Lucas of the AFL. Brilliant once, lazy, complacent and devoid of ideas now.

(Collingwood are James Cameron...they make good movies that appeal to the masses, and are the industry's innovators, but are arseholes)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:57 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
It is that simple and I for the life of me cannot understand how people just don't get it

One word...Richmond. They continually show crap movies, but people still fork up their dough time and time again. They're like the Michael Bay of the AFL.

We on the other hand, are the George Lucas of the AFL. Brilliant once, lazy and devoid of ideas now.



they always have a crack Richmond they are always on the verge - They don't spend 4-5 years at the bottom hoping to get draft picks - So they are a middle of the road team who keep their head above water even this year they have stocked up on recycled player to keep them in the hunt

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:57 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Crap is it - Let me put this in simple terms so you might understand how people are

Buying a membership is a season ticket to see a game - basically you by a pass to see a show

Now lets compare it to another form of entertainment so you can get a clear understanding of what happens

Lets say collingwood is Village Cinemas and Carlton is Hoyts

Village is attracting more people so the people from Hoyts go over and have a look whats happening
They come back with a list
Village seats are bigger and more comfortable - So Hoyts does the same
Village are offering larger popcorn - so Hoyts does the same
Village Choc tops taste better - So Hoyts gets the same
Village puts in a Games Arcade and attracts more money- So Hoyts does the same
Village then introduces meals and grog and service - So Hoyts does the same

Now despite all this Hoyts still isnt able to attract the patrons - Village has local business forming a line to get their advertising on their screens - Hoyts cannot for the life of them figure out what going on they talk to people and ask them for advice and the only advice they ever get is to change the manager

But answer is simple the Village cinema show better movies they have all the block busters week in week out whilst Hoyts they have the occassional blockbuster but most of the the time they are showing 'B' grade movies which no one want to watch so no one want to spend all their hard earned on B grade crap movies - Of course the will be the occassional diehard who will never visit the Village Cinemas because it is full of all the local bogans , but in the end if Hoyts wants to attract the crowds that Village does they better start showing better movies .

It is that simple and I for the life of me cannot understand how people just don't get it



Sydney, Carlton play in Blockbusters every year - we are with Collingwood the highest rating club on TV and highest drawing games by way of crowd - over the past 10 years or so the Collingwood -v- Carlton game has drawn a higher crowd than the ANZAC Day game.

In 2003 - we increased our membership by nearly 25% on the back of our first ever wooden spoon and our smashing by the AFL.

So membership is not just about onfield performance.

We should be 60,000+ members now.

At the moment our supporters have as much attraction to buying a membership as people have wanting to go and see "Ishtar" - why is that and when we find out lets sort it out. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:01 am 
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When there is hope at the start of the year we attract a crowd- when all things turn to shit the crowds drop off
Compare rd 1 against Richmond to the crowd we get later in the year
Compare the first block buster against the pies to the 2nd

Like i said we have the occassional good show but in the end we dish up B grade crap

in 2003 it was like we rebuilt the cinemas as we had reach rock bottom - people signed up for a new and improved version under new management -

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:05 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
It is that simple and I for the life of me cannot understand how people just don't get it

One word...Richmond. They continually show crap movies, but people still fork up their dough time and time again. They're like the Michael Bay of the AFL.

We on the other hand, are the George Lucas of the AFL. Brilliant once, lazy and devoid of ideas now.



they always have a crack Richmond they are always on the verge - They don't spend 4-5 years at the bottom hoping to get draft picks - So they are a middle of the road team who keep their head above water even this year they have stocked up on recycled player to keep them in the hunt

Yet the fact remains, we are a better team, and have been for years, but off-field they're shitting all over us, despite the fact that our numbers in tv-land far exceed theirs.

A small example, but I once bought a gift from them for my nephew (Tigers fan), and because of that one instance I get more correspondence from them (and better offers from their store, I have to say) than I get from my own club. Hell, I've been contacted more by Richmond over that single $10-15 purchase 4 years ago than I ever did for putting in the extra hundreds to be a "Blue Believer" and have a damn plaque with my name on it at the club.

It isn't just about on-field performance, and it's not just about the numbers. The longer our board continues to think that, the longer we'll be under-achieving.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:41 am 
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Be that as it may I firmly believe that a Premiership wont solve the problem.

We have dined out too long on our past premiership glories - even our "1999 Premiership" - I shudder to think where we would be now if we actually pinched that flag.

I want to see us win a flag more than anyone - and hope that we do (even as soon as 2013 :wink: ) but we need to sort out the entire culture of this footy club.

We need to be inclusive, not just talk about inclusiveness.

We need to work hard not just talk about working hard.

The Board needs to go through the Club - staff member, by staff member, line by line - what are they doing, how are they doing it. Because someone has been in a position for 2, 3,5, 10 or 20 years doesnt mean they are doing a good job or are the right person for the job.

It could be something as simple as returning a phone call (hey Ray S. I am looking at you :mad: )

It could be as something as complex as implementing our Strategic Plan.

It starts at Board Level and it has to start now.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:49 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Crap is it - Let me put this in simple terms so you might understand how people are

Buying a membership is a season ticket to see a game - basically you by a pass to see a show

Now lets compare it to another form of entertainment so you can get a clear understanding of what happens

Lets say collingwood is Village Cinemas and Carlton is Hoyts

Village is attracting more people so the people from Hoyts go over and have a look whats happening
They come back with a list
Village seats are bigger and more comfortable - So Hoyts does the same
Village are offering larger popcorn - so Hoyts does the same
Village Choc tops taste better - So Hoyts gets the same
Village puts in a Games Arcade and attracts more money- So Hoyts does the same
Village then introduces meals and grog and service - So Hoyts does the same

Now despite all this Hoyts still isnt able to attract the patrons - Village has local business forming a line to get their advertising on their screens - Hoyts cannot for the life of them figure out what going on they talk to people and ask them for advice and the only advice they ever get is to change the manager

But answer is simple the Village cinema show better movies they have all the block busters week in week out whilst Hoyts they have the occassional blockbuster but most of the the time they are showing 'B' grade movies which no one want to watch so no one want to spend all their hard earned on B grade crap movies - Of course the will be the occassional diehard who will never visit the Village Cinemas because it is full of all the local bogans , but in the end if Hoyts wants to attract the crowds that Village does they better start showing better movies .

It is that simple and I for the life of me cannot understand how people just don't get it

Does that make St Kilda Club X...

Nobody wants to be seen going in, only busy when nothing else is open, sticky seats, pay full price and only stay for 15 minutes, don’t understand the storyline and Twisties outsell popcorn.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:51 am 
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I bet I know somewhere we could easily find at least 10000 members.

If only the Club respected it and did something about it rather than pay lip service to wanting new members.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:15 am 
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yeah, 1,000 people want to be interstate members but are holding off, sorry did you say 10,000?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:17 am 
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If you say so.

You may as well be a board member with attitude like that

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:18 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
yeah, 1,000 people want to be interstate members but are holding off, sorry did you say 10,000?

dreamin'



We keep getting told that there are 1,000,000 Carlton Supporters around Australia.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:27 am 
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After reading the last few posts I happened to stumble across the latest Collingwood membership campaign:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:17 am 
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So?Winning a flag to get membership up is our plan A B and C.... through to Z...

:lol:

Ok... i can see a powerhouse footy club at work.... :grin:

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