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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:54 pm 
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Sticks is much stickier to dislodge than Joe...


Given that Sticks is leaving at the end of the year, and won't be replaced, I think this is patently untrue.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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Despite how much people might want Sticks out of the President's chair, your kidding yourselves if you think voting him out 1 year early will help the Club.



Why is that?

Give us reasons why Sticks is needed for another year....

And how the cub would go backwards without Sticks as president.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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gee you are a -ve bugger :grin:

you going to the AGM i may see you there??????????????


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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Synbad wrote:
Stamos wrote:
Despite how much people might want Sticks out of the President's chair, your kidding yourselves if you think voting him out 1 year early will help the Club.



Why is that?

Give us reasons why Sticks is needed for another year....

And how the cub would go backwards without Sticks as president.

Good to have you back Synbad, we missed you. :smile:


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:01 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Stamos wrote:
Despite how much people might want Sticks out of the President's chair, your kidding yourselves if you think voting him out 1 year early will help the Club.



Why is that?

Give us reasons why Sticks is needed for another year....

And how the cub would go backwards without Sticks as president.


1. Stability

2. So the board can follow through with the plans they have put in place.
If we don't want this, may as well chuck them all out.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:07 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Stamos wrote:
Despite how much people might want Sticks out of the President's chair, your kidding yourselves if you think voting him out 1 year early will help the Club.



Why is that?

Give us reasons why Sticks is needed for another year....

And how the cub would go backwards without Sticks as president.


1. Stability

2. So the board can follow through with the plans they have put in place.
If we don't want this, may as well chuck them all out.


Vote Ahmed.
Great creds in every way.
Wants a united board and strong CEO.

He'll sort it out after Sticks retires at the end of 2013....he better!!

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:09 pm 
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Bomba Sheldon wrote:
gee you are a -ve bugger :grin:

you going to the AGM i may see you there??????????????



Bomba cant make it... didnt buy my membership... in protest on hw the club is run.

Your brother isnt happy with me.. :wink:

But we should catch up.

Anyway.. my point is.. if Sticks did get the right royal boot the cub wouldnt go backwards without him.

and it might be what the dr ordered re getting him to move away from the club... would be in shame.. but he doesnt seem to understand anything else....

And Joe might just be the George Harris suburban dentist.. and the one of the great 5 Carlton figures of all time.

He wasnt a great CHF for the club.... he was just a dentist... but a ruthless bastard with a vision. :thumbsup:

We have this fixation with players thats unhealthy... very idolatrist club we are.

CHF for the club doesnt mean president with a vision..... just means CHF who should have moved away from the club when his CHF days were over.

Elliott turned him into his own Elliottstein.. captain of the century.....??.. joke... John Nicholls anyday....and then used him politicaly.. the rise and rise of Sticks.. equals the fall and fall of the club ... not just cos of Sticks.. but he had a very big hand in our mediocrity and dark years...

People should never forget to remind Sticks of OReilly.. and the salary cap breaches... and thats just one of many things....

And yet.. Sticks can commit all kinds of 'crimes' and he can stay Prez ....

Whats worse is aybody who has spoken to him would know hes not the sharpest tool in the shed..

Is that the best we can do???

Surely not!!.. and yet.. it has been what we have had for a long long time...

Masochists!!!

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:10 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
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Voting or a guy you know nothing about, but could be influenced by scripted answers on this forum. Hmmmm.

Yeah mate, I'm going to fall for everything he says.... :screwy: :roll:

I'd be happy if Joe, or any other candidate, came on here and told us about himself and what his plans are to improve our football club if elected. I'll decide what does and doesn't influence me.


Partner at Spagnolo and Co? And/or Group Business Adviser at YPA Estate Agents? Also a Member of Carltonians.

You can vote for whoever you like, I just don't care who is elected as it won't make a difference until the leadership changes.

When was the last time an unknown got onto the board?


My point exactly.

Joe - make yourself known to us and we'll take it from there.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:14 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Bomba Sheldon wrote:
gee you are a -ve bugger :grin:

you going to the AGM i may see you there??????????????



Bomba cant make it... didnt buy my membership... in protest on hw the club is run.

Your brother isnt happy with me.. :wink:

But we should catch up.

Anyway.. my point is.. if Sticks did get the right royal boot the cub wouldnt go backwards without him.

and it might be what the dr ordered re getting him to move away from the club... would be in shame.. but he doesnt seem to understand anything else....

And Joe might just be the George Harris suburban dentist.. and the one of the great 5 Carlton figures of all time.

He wasnt a great CHF for the club.... he was just a dentist... but a ruthless bastard with a vision. :thumbsup:

We have this fixation with players thats unhealthy... very idolatrist club we are.

CHF for the club doesnt mean president with a vision..... just means CHF who should have moved away from the club when his CHF days were over.

Elliott turned him into his own Elliottstein.. captain of the century.....??.. joke... John Nicholls anyday....and then used him politicaly.. the rise and rise of Sticks.. equals the fall and fall of the club ... not just cos of Sticks.. but he had a very big hand in our mediocrity and dark years...

People should never forget to remind Sticks of OReilly.. and the salary cap breaches... and thats just one of many things....

And yet.. Sticks can commit all kinds of 'crimes' and he can stay Prez ....

Whats worse is aybody who has spoken to him would know hes not the sharpest tool in the shed..

Is that the best we can do???

Surely not!!.. and yet.. it has been what we have had for a long long time...

Masochists!!!


No worries mate, we will

Agree about Sticks idolised him as a player but as a prez............

Cant comment on Big Nick as a better skipper as he was before my time

Even though my bro bought his membership he went to bugger all games this year, get your act together next year and buy your membership regardless of any frustrations you may have about the way the club is run off the field


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:15 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Stamos wrote:
Despite how much people might want Sticks out of the President's chair, your kidding yourselves if you think voting him out 1 year early will help the Club.



Why is that?

Give us reasons why Sticks is needed for another year....

And how the cub would go backwards without Sticks as president.


1. Stability

2. So the board can follow through with the plans they have put in place.
If we don't want this, may as well chuck them all out.



Wait.. you mean to tell me if Sticks is gone there will be no stability at the club??

Please explain how ...

and second what plans ????

Id love to see a disolving of the board and they can all go up again from scratch.

Say 7 directors 1 of which president...

Open to anyone....

Now that id love to see.....

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:25 pm 
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Bomba the first part we shall definitely do... been a while.

But back on Sticks and the board... they did sign Ratts to a 2 year deal even though they were unsure about him and were sounding out coaches the year before.

That decision has cost us some pretty big bux.

But thats not all.. they wernt convinced with Swann and signed him up on a 2 year deal too... so you cant really sack him without paying him out... and funnier is the contract... he is employed till March.. so anyone coming in wastes a year.. why wouldnt they do that contract an October > October contract???

Are you kidding me???

Who the hell runs this club..???

Is laughable...!!!

and yeah Sticks brings us stability... stability to mediocrity.... were a very out of touch club with the progressive nature of competitive sport at an elite level....

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:36 am 
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Stamos wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Stamos wrote:
Despite how much people might want Sticks out of the President's chair, your kidding yourselves if you think voting him out 1 year early will help the Club.



Why is that?

Give us reasons why Sticks is needed for another year....

And how the cub would go backwards without Sticks as president.


1. Stability

2. So the board can follow through with the plans they have put in place.
If we don't want this, may as well chuck them all out.


Stability makes sense if the Board & President are performing well. Stability is more of the same not what CFC needs at this hour.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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Sticks stability = Sticks holding pattern.

Not something we need....

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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Dont know if it has been mentioned, but you do not have to vote for 5 out of 6. You CAN vote for up to five i.e. a minimum of 1. I personally voted for 2 of the candidates.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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mikkey wrote:
Dont know if it has been mentioned, but you do not have to vote for 5 out of 6. You CAN vote for up to five i.e. a minimum of 1. I personally voted for 2 of the candidates.


ah, thanks for that Mikkey. excellent. Now i know what to do. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: AGM 17 December
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Stamos wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Stamos wrote:
Despite how much people might want Sticks out of the President's chair, your kidding yourselves if you think voting him out 1 year early will help the Club.



Why is that?

Give us reasons why Sticks is needed for another year....

And how the cub would go backwards without Sticks as president.


1. Stability

Flower stability. If you want stability, walk a few hundred meters south-west of Princes Park. You'll find all the stability and serenity there in spades. (You'll also find that spades were actually used to create that stability, but that's another story).

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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I've decided. I'm voting for Joe (and then I'll send the voteat my own expense, as the club didn't provide a reply paid envelope).

JohnM wrote:
I work in the advertising industry.
I work with many of Australia's best marketers.
Every day, we work at modifying the behaviours and purchasing habits of Australia's consumers.
And I can tell you it is both a science, and an art.
It works.

So it scares the shit out of me to hear a board member admit that they're mystified as to why they can't get more Carlton supporters to sign up as members. Actually that's not the way they frame it: they seem to think that the onus is on the Carlton supporter, and they're mystified as to why more don't become members.

The board should be mystified as to why the club's executive isn't competent enough to entice Carlton supporters to sign up. Stephen and Board: you're looking in the wrong place. The answer is much closer to home.

The club is as far removed from being the kind of customer-centric organisation that attracts consumer dollars, as it could possibly be. You are nowhere near it.

It's not the supporters. We're no more or less apathetic than Hawthorn or Collingwood supporters. It's just that those clubs try to put the supporter at the centre of things. Carlton keeps its supporters at arm's length, as an afterthought to your operations.

Businesses that do this, and rely on consumer sentiment for growth, are doomed.

Can you PLEASE find a serious marketing professional... and a CEO of a business that relies on consumer sentiment for its growth (ie, not bankers and lawyers) and get them on the board please? Think CMO's of FMCG's... not owners of family businesses, etc.

This is embarrassing.

Agree with everything in your post, except for this. I think banks are very reliant on consumer sentiment.

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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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Donstuie wrote:
I've decided. I'm voting for Joe (and then I'll send the voteat my own expense, as the club didn't provide a reply paid envelope).

JohnM wrote:
I work in the advertising industry.
I work with many of Australia's best marketers.
Every day, we work at modifying the behaviours and purchasing habits of Australia's consumers.
And I can tell you it is both a science, and an art.
It works.

So it scares the shit out of me to hear a board member admit that they're mystified as to why they can't get more Carlton supporters to sign up as members. Actually that's not the way they frame it: they seem to think that the onus is on the Carlton supporter, and they're mystified as to why more don't become members.

The board should be mystified as to why the club's executive isn't competent enough to entice Carlton supporters to sign up. Stephen and Board: you're looking in the wrong place. The answer is much closer to home.

The club is as far removed from being the kind of customer-centric organisation that attracts consumer dollars, as it could possibly be. You are nowhere near it.

It's not the supporters. We're no more or less apathetic than Hawthorn or Collingwood supporters. It's just that those clubs try to put the supporter at the centre of things. Carlton keeps its supporters at arm's length, as an afterthought to your operations.

Businesses that do this, and rely on consumer sentiment for growth, are doomed.

Can you PLEASE find a serious marketing professional... and a CEO of a business that relies on consumer sentiment for its growth (ie, not bankers and lawyers) and get them on the board please? Think CMO's of FMCG's... not owners of family businesses, etc.

This is embarrassing.

Agree with everything in your post, except for this. I think banks are very reliant on consumer sentiment.

I also voted for Joe. did it online at no expense.
Congratulations on your 17,000th post.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
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Donstuie wrote:
I've decided. I'm voting for Joe (and then I'll send the voteat my own expense, as the club didn't provide a reply paid envelope).

JohnM wrote:
I work in the advertising industry.
I work with many of Australia's best marketers.
Every day, we work at modifying the behaviours and purchasing habits of Australia's consumers.
And I can tell you it is both a science, and an art.
It works.

So it scares the shit out of me to hear a board member admit that they're mystified as to why they can't get more Carlton supporters to sign up as members. Actually that's not the way they frame it: they seem to think that the onus is on the Carlton supporter, and they're mystified as to why more don't become members.

The board should be mystified as to why the club's executive isn't competent enough to entice Carlton supporters to sign up. Stephen and Board: you're looking in the wrong place. The answer is much closer to home.

The club is as far removed from being the kind of customer-centric organisation that attracts consumer dollars, as it could possibly be. You are nowhere near it.

It's not the supporters. We're no more or less apathetic than Hawthorn or Collingwood supporters. It's just that those clubs try to put the supporter at the centre of things. Carlton keeps its supporters at arm's length, as an afterthought to your operations.

Businesses that do this, and rely on consumer sentiment for growth, are doomed.

Can you PLEASE find a serious marketing professional... and a CEO of a business that relies on consumer sentiment for its growth (ie, not bankers and lawyers) and get them on the board please? Think CMO's of FMCG's... not owners of family businesses, etc.

This is embarrassing.

Agree with everything in your post, except for this. I think banks are very reliant on consumer sentiment.


True. A CMO from a retail bank would be a good get. I was thinking more the private equity/merchant banker types (although I would love Fitzy on board obviously, not to address our weakness in brand positioning, but for governance). Apologies for not making myself clear on that score.


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 Post subject: Re: AGM 17 December
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:20 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Sticks is much stickier to dislodge than Joe...


Given that Sticks is leaving at the end of the year, and won't be replaced, I think this is patently untrue.

Leaving?

Where is he going to exactly???

Do you have any goss on what Sticks will be leaving to?

Define "leaving"

Thanks kezza :wink:

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