Wow comparing Carey's criminal charges to Judd's grievance. I think the consequences of those cases are very different.

I used the two cases to compare how clubs minimize the impact of off-field distractions toward the bigger prize. Not comparing who has done what.

How would you feel if this Judd case is still going at rd 11 this year? Potentially finding its way into the courts as a restraint of trade case?

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I understand you understand the potential consequences are Rhino, but this whole sage has been brought up by Anderson and Anderson alone...no one else undrstands where he is coming from except to say that Judd has been tageted rather than the issue at large,,,so Anderson isn't that smart doing this.

I just had dinner with one of his ...old colleagues ...and even he says Anderson is fishing, pushing and stirring the pot...he hasn't got a grip of what he's getting into, nor whether he has a leg to stand on,,,it seems a diversion from what is really a more serious matter...which has been adjorned.

Forget about Judd...have a look at what the AFL have agree to and what they've been party to for the past 5 years in agreement and the Crows saga whereby they have been caught in the middle of an act no one had prior knowledge, guitly as can be,,,but the AFL adjorn judgement and put the attention on the Judd deal....mmmmmm

Sucked in...this issue has nothing to do with Judd or Carlton or Visy....this is deep...watch this space...regardless of what Eddie or Rhino or Anderson have to say on the Judd issue...that's nothing in comparison with all the SECRET deals going on....100's of them unbeknown to the AFL or the public.

I love it. About time th AFL woke up, got caught out and started acting like a civil servant instaed of a dictatorship.

Tell me one party who is on the AFL's side on this one...if there is one, then Rhino has a case...if there isn't the AFL will get caught out.

I understand Rhino's concern with cosequences, but lets just wait to see what legs the AFL has to stand on on this one...the AFL players aren't going to take this lyring down because ther's 150 players on 3rd party contracts, the retsaint of trade argument, plus the fact that the aFL have appreoved the Judd Visy agreement....AFL= a bunch of politicians just about to lose an election by landslide.....but the fact is they are untouchable whatever the consequence.

What an embarassing lot the AFL with Anderson in there are...and what school did Anderson come from...yeah, not surprised...is there any others from the same school tie in the AFL...work that one out...its a common thread out there in the traps. Emdarrassing as Catholic priests...Royal Commission anybody??????? The AFL needs to be panced.

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So be it.

Walk away and let the AFL walk over everyody and every contract they have sanctioned?

Enough is enough.

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Bit like Jeff Kennett in 1999 - could be the "greatest CEO" the AFL has ever had is about to be re-rated.

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Sorry Agro, but I don't understand your comment about Kennet and the re rating...but good timing bringing up Jeff.

At dinener tonight we discussed why Kennett would be having a go at the AFL and we all agreed that there must be a case of Hawks not having any third party deals.

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As has been pointed out enough times - Judd isn't the only player with a third party agreement in the league. Let the other 100 or so sort it out.

You're right, I don't think the AFL have the right to put this through. But if it's one thing they've done properly here, is make it out that they've taken a stance against the Judd deal directly, rather than a stance against third party player agreements, that they have no way in hell of policing.

CFC, Judd and his management look like they've taken the bait.

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The people of Victoria re-rated Kennett in 1999.

Bout time the Demetrispew was re-rated as well.

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If anything here - how can this not simply be resolved by Judd being paid $250,000 p.a to be the world's most overpaid waterboy in retirement?

No salary cap on coaching staff. Give him the Robert Harvey job. Seems the nice clean way out of this..

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Time for the President, Board and Club to make a stand and challenge the AFL on this issue.

Why???

We're a football club, we're in the business of winning premierships. Since about 1995, we've become sidetracked as a club, and obsessed with getting one up on the AFL, and squaring this non-existent ledger in a fight we simply can't win.

We don't need to take a stand. The Elliott era in itself was one big stand after another and look where that got us.

I'd much prefer focusing on a 17th premiership than notching up a W in the "petty wins against the AFL" column.

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Hey Rhino how do you know he is not 100% committed to his training?

Are you suggesting he is being excused from training sessions, not attending lecture sessions, avoiding re-hab, missing other sessions all the other players are required to attend, and has stopped his additonal training regime? Cos that is what you are insinuating.

I would think any time he would spend on any legal issues would be during his personal and downtime, which all players get, when he is not required at the club and thereby not impacting his commitment to his training one bit. Believe it not but players don't train every minute of every day, and do have time available to pursue other things in their life.

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The glass is neither half full nor half empty. Rather the glass is twice as big than required.

I think you're confusing my comments relating to his commitment to pre-season, you're looking at it from a physical attendance perspective, I'm looking at it as a mental distraction.

Having said that - we're talking about a bloke with a young family and plenty of outside business interests also. How much time left is there for things such as meeting for legal advice, preparing for hearings, etc. I'm sure he'll be thoroughly coached on his eventual contribution to this hearing.

Whether it ends up meaning he misses a training session here and there - is probably unlikely, but not a healthy addition to the work/lifestyle balance, which is an area he's been questioned about previously (remember his form post birth of Oscar?).

Do we believe that the verdict of the AFL's own grievance tribunal is the be all and end all? A negative verdict there is surely not the end of it. Will they, along with the AFLPA challenge it in the courts?

We've seen in recent years, form slumps attributed to Goddard, Cloke, Tippett, Scully and Ablett due to outside pressures relating to their contract. Why not pre-empt this from happening to our captain? Why let him be the poster boy for this mess in the first place?

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It could possibly become a distraction, I think Rhino has some valid points.

If for example a Carlton player wanted to pursue a career in the transport industry, and he landed a job as a truckie with a company owned by a Carlton Coterie member driving a couple of days a week, are we now saying the AFL have the power to block that ???

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Anderson's on the backfoot and he knows it - would be amazed if he's still around in 12 months time

Coryne made an interesting observation on BF.

The timing is interesting, to say the least.

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I get what Rhino is saying about it being a distraction but at some point we need to make stand as it will have far reaching implications to all our A+ players.

Implications for not just us, but the 17 other clubs as well, the 100+ other players in the league who also have a third party deal.

With the exception of Frank Costa's comments on Joel Selwood's deal in The Age, we're the only club that has taken this on. Every other club will sit back and watch this unfold, and let us take the brunt of the AFL's indignation. The only support we'll likely get is from the AFLPA.

Article on the Hun mentioned a potential Supreme Court challenge. I'm sure the other clubs, players and sponsors are lining up to contribute to the costs of this also..

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