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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:39 am 
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Stirring it up? Maybe a little - but more for the many, many Carlton fans who are blinded by their love and can't see the forest for the trees. As for the Bullants...never have liked Preston. Have followed Williamstown since 1973 and will to my dying day. Carlton too. The problem is that no one can put their finger on it...no one can say what's wrong with Carlton...give a definitive diagnosis. But it's actually there in the Strategic Plan...they're just not listening to it. People. God knows what they'll do with a review.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:41 am 
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God knows what they'll do with a review.


Probably just shift the deck chairs.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:47 am 
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We played a lot of the kids (and almost kids) spasmodically. In one week, out the next.


Casboult and Bell got a good run at it. The young bloke Dale got a taste and ROK got a taste but i hear his body was not quite right so got moved out for Judd.
Bootsma had a few games but got exposed badly against hawthorn so was given the rest of the season in the two's to recover.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:59 am 
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My take on things re Doc is, it's not about losing. It's being pragmatic. It's acknowledging that season 2012 was over ages ago and preparing for 2013. Play the kids. Confirm the list. We still could have won as many matches, although it probably would not have happened, but at least a correct assessment of the list could have been made. It's too late now.


...but we did play the kids. Then we looked like we could make the finals so we went for it like anyone in a competitive sport would.
Hoping we would lose is one thing. Spruking it on a fansite is another. Doc loves doing it. Did it with the Bullants for a few years and then moved on to the Carlton this year. He is stirring it up for his own fun. Take it with a grain of salt and move to the next topic where Doc Sherrin is more than likely to say some great stuff that lights up the thread.

Doing "it" with the Bullants is no big deal. Doc isn't a Bullants supporter. I think everyone knows that. For the record, I never was either.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:09 am 
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I've explained my stance on this so many !@#$%& times, I'm amazed people can't see it for what it is. 2012 was shot a long time ago. In my opinion, the best thing for the club was to fast track 2013...that included reviews (which they did), player injury management (which they were bad at), and getting games into youngsters (which they were reluctantly forced into, but still managed to suck at it).

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And next year I'll support the club but you support will still be conditional on who ends up in charge.

If Malty has a bad run at what point will you drop off? Round 15.?


Again - where I have said this. How many times are you going to make shit up? 2013 is a clean slate. I hope. If you knew some of the things that have been going on at that place this year you might actually agree with me...nah...you're so 'one week at a time' ..a philosophy that simply doesn't work when you look at the big picture. The future.

Looking forward to the end of 2012. Changes happening. And looking forward to not having these discussions with you next year. It's a different ball game in many respects and as I've said before....it won't take much to turn it around. I'll be there supporting the Carlton Football Club.



That's welcome news Doc.

It's great to hear your support will be unconditional next year.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:37 am 
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club29 wrote:
Freddy47 wrote:
My take on things re Doc is, it's not about losing. It's being pragmatic. It's acknowledging that season 2012 was over ages ago and preparing for 2013. Play the kids. Confirm the list. We still could have won as many matches, although it probably would not have happened, but at least a correct assessment of the list could have been made. It's too late now.


...but we did play the kids. Then we looked like we could make the finals so we went for it like anyone in a competitive sport would.
Hoping we would lose is one thing. Spruking it on a fansite is another. Doc loves doing it. Did it with the Bullants for a few years and then moved on to the Carlton this year. He is stirring it up for his own fun. Take it with a grain of salt and move to the next topic where Doc Sherrin is more than likely to say some great stuff that lights up the thread.

Doing "it" with the Bullants is no big deal. Doc isn't a Bullants supporter. I think everyone knows that. For the record, I never was either.


See Moshe we would never would have known that about you not being a bullants supporter. We all know about Doc Sherrin and his love of Willy though. Good stirrer. Made sure we all knew.
Hoping for a bite.

He could have quietly gone about his business in hoping the blues lose but he went hard on a fansite to get a reaction. If you did not see that coming as many didnt you would get quite angry because we all want our team to show a bit of resilience not fold like a deck of cards (which we did). Me ,i just took it with a grain of salt. It was just a small portion of a posters make up I chose to let through to the keeper, other parts i dont like and other parts i do. We all love some classic Doc Sherrin in threads ....when he starts impersonating Synbad some are not into it. One Synbad per fansite is enough for me.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:38 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
That's welcome news Doc. It's great to hear your support will be unconditional next year.


Probably where you and I (and others) differ is that you will buy a membership no matter what. I used to be that way too. Nowadays, I believe the onus is on the club to contact me. Sell it to me. Call me. Tell me why I should buy a membership. They didn't do that. Do they even have a database? Are they keeping record of my past membership history? No.

I went to one Colorado Rockies game while in Denver and have been contacted by phone and email already. It's not annoying because they understand customer service. I can opt out of receiving calls, emails and direct messages on twitter whenever I like. But I'm on the other said of the world and they want my business. They understand there are ten million things that people could be doing rather than going to Coors Field. They're in 2012. Carlton is stuck in 1989...akin to waiting outside a Circle-K in San Dimas before Rufus arrives. Shit I hope Rufus arrives soon.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:43 am 
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See Moshe we would never would have known that about you not being a bullants supporter. We all know about Doc Sherrin and his love of Willy though. Good stirrer. Made sure we all knew.
Hoping for a bite.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Speak for yourself! I knew Moshe wasn't a Bullants (Northern Blues) man. Not hoping for a bite at all...but it seems I landed a fish!


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San Dimas High Rules !

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:54 am 
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San Dimas High School Football Rules !



EFA :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:55 am 
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yeah i didnt think it sounded quite right

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:00 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Probably where you and I (and others) differ is that you will buy a membership no matter what. I used to be that way too. Nowadays, I believe the onus is on the club to contact me. Sell it to me. Call me. Tell me why I should buy a membership. They didn't do that. Do they even have a database? Are they keeping record of my past membership history? No.


Lil' Miss Wojee is still getting member emails despite choosing not to renew her membership this year, and has had nothing to try to get her to re-commit.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:35 pm 
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Freddy47 wrote:
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God knows what they'll do with a review.


Probably just shift the deck chairs.


IMO that is a real possibility and a concern.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:36 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
club29 wrote:
See Moshe we would never would have known that about you not being a bullants supporter. We all know about Doc Sherrin and his love of Willy though. Good stirrer. Made sure we all knew.
Hoping for a bite.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Speak for yourself! I knew Moshe wasn't a Bullants (Northern Blues) man. Not hoping for a bite at all...but it seems I landed a fish!


I dislike the Bullants and only watch to see our players. Go the "Borough" :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:38 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Freddy47 wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
God knows what they'll do with a review.


Probably just shift the deck chairs.


IMO that is a real possibility and a concern.


We are going to get nowhere unless every position in the club is reviewed by an independant external party. The board need to sign a document to say they will abide by any recommendation.

My take - fat chance of that happening.

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I think I'm finally ready to talk about Carlton again post-catharsis (below):

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_artic ... icleId=188

As a sort-of-Victorian, it was a great idea – have a footy weekend on the Gold Coast with a couple of my best mates. As an actual Tasmanian, it was a perfect idea –Saturday afternoon in and around Surfers Paradise was beautiful, warm and sunny, and the evening itself was not quite balmy but definitely warmer than most Tasmanian spring days. But as a Carlton fan, the weekend was a horrific waste of time, that at the end of the day was as painful and heartbreaking, as it was unsurprising given the year that we had had.

The game was the Round 22 fixture of the 2012 AFL Season – the Mighty Blues versus the relative newcomers, the Gold Coast Suns. The event was a catch-up with two guys, both of whom I’d been Best Man for. The last time I’d caught up with my Gold Coast resident Best Man friend was the last time we’d played Gold Coast and came up with a massive 119 point thumping against the newcomers. A good precedent for sure, but 2012 was a different year altogether.

2012 began with a burst of energy, 3 wins and premiership favouritism. Within weeks it crashed around us, but the expectations remained high. First was a crushing loss to the Bombers which should have been at least 60 points before some consolation scoring at the back end. A string of disappointing losses was soon to follow, plus injuries to Carrazzo, Henderson, Laidler and Murphy, such that by the Round 12 clash against Hawthorn the Blues were a lifeless outfit. But it was the style of loss that seemed of most concern

During a late season hiatus of sorts, the Blues had managed to eke out some workman-like wins to keep us in touch with the 8. And then in Round 21 we had demolished the Bombers in an awesome game (full of laughs!) and our percentage of 110 meant we could still make the finals… All we needed to do going in to the game was eke out another win (although in the walk to the ground us Blues fans were debating margins of 60 points v 90 points, go figure!), and we’d stay in 8th place.

And why not? Going in we had 10 players with 100 games or more experience, compared to their 2, had on average 50 games more experience per player, and were coming off that big win. The Suns had had a very disappointing year, being overshadowed for most of it by the other newcomers, GWS. There had been as much talk of McKenna’s reign being in question as Ratten’s, and that was with a list of top draft picks before him just needing some time to ripen in the Queensland sun.

For sure, the game before us was there to be won, and we had enough incentive to make it happen.

Those superstitious (and silly) enough to believe in omens would tell you when you lose a player to injury in the first minute the Gods are probably against you… let alone when it is the unassuming but form player Andrew McInnes who goes down straight away, with an ACL no less. Now would our decision to not have Thornton as an emergency, nor select potential first-gamer Patrick McCarthy come back and haunt us?

You bet! It didn’t take long for the alarm bells to start ringing and for the lack of talls meant that the Suns would kick 3 goals from marks in their 50 in the first quarter to burst out of the blocks. But it was more than that – a lack of checking through midfield and a complete lack of defensive pressure meant that no-name Suns forwards (e.g. Lynch) had too much space and didn’t have to work too hard. Uncontested marks on mild leads – not even hard leads – suggested we were not switched on. 6 goals in that first quarter and we were behind already. Judd’s goals from midfield were nice but it was not enough.

Now we needed to work our way back in to it but the story was worse in the second. Charlie Dixon seemed to be throwing Simon White around and making a key target, Lynch kept on bobbing up and young soon-to-be-Cat Caddy would kick freaky goals from few opportunities. 5 more goals to the Suns and only 2 to the Blues meant we were behind by 38 points at the half. Underneath the midfield wreckage was a forward line struggling to kick goals, as the Blues were only 3 scoring shots behind (so to speak… whatever that is worth). And what was making it worse was some horrific errors and decision making, with Matthew Kreuzer’s dropped mark 30cms out from the Suns goal (uncontested) as large a brain fade as they come, with Caddy kicking another. One of the guys I was sitting with (An Essendon* fan, I normally leave out that detail out of embarrassment) starting dancing a jig and to be honest I didn’t have a response. Not even the prior week’s game would save me now!

Something did happen at half time – perhaps an impassioned plea for some support from the Coach – and the inevitable resurgence came. 5 goals 6 from the Blues, with more wonky kicking from Waite and Casboult in particular – despite a nice goal on the run from Waite - to a solitary goal, meant that we were only 2 majors behind.

From here, Carlton surged and surged as our experienced midfield took over but the Suns would not bow down. 2 goals 7, including 3 consecutive behinds to the key forwards – each of Casboult’s kicks taking an off-spin action and spearing to the right of the post on a windless night – meant that we could not sustain the pressure. And when Cat-cum-Sun Gary Ablett walked around Marc Murphy’s admittedly lame tackle (he was carrying his injured shoulder since his return) to kick a great one from 40, the game was over.

The Blues were gone, with no chance to make the 8 and on this performance, no answers or form or method to speak of.

In the wash-up, Carlton replaced Coach Brett Ratten with Mick Malthouse, in the hope that the playing list is sufficient to restore our name to the Top 4 once again. But the hopes of Carlton fans had been destroyed, and Metricon would become a place of nightmares much like the old days at the Western Oval. Carlton were gone, season over.

And from that point on, nothing could make me enjoy that weekend at all. It sucked big time!


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:08 pm 
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It was bad enough to watch it on the telly.
But to have been there ... :yikes:
Wonder how many players felt the shame and pain that many of us did ...?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:32 pm 
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It was bad enough to watch it on the telly.
But to have been there ... :yikes:
Wonder how many players felt the shame and pain that many of us did ...?


I felt the shame there.

The siren went and the players just honed in on the change rooms and that was it....a couple put their hands to their heads and wondered.

The Q3 was promising and the boys showed a bit of spirit, but the weak finishing Suns outplayed us in the last. WTF.
It really was a disgrace for all Carltonians there, as much as it was for those watching on TV.
High hopes and absolute lows....lowest ever on the Gold Coast for a Carltonian. Ever.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:12 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
kennyhunter wrote:
It was bad enough to watch it on the telly.
But to have been there ... :yikes:
Wonder how many players felt the shame and pain that many of us did ...?


I felt the shame there.

The siren went and the players just honed in on the change rooms and that was it....a couple put their hands to their heads and wondered.

The Q3 was promising and the boys showed a bit of spirit, but the weak finishing Suns outplayed us in the last. WTF.
It really was a disgrace for all Carltonians there, as much as it was for those watching on TV.
High hopes and absolute lows....lowest ever on the Gold Coast for a Carltonian. Ever.


As much as we all want to forget it ever happened, this surely must form part of the driving forces and motivations going forward for the playing group.

Any respect we might of built in recent seasons evaporated that night. We became a laughing stock once again.

I'm very interested in how the playing group respond next year.

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Got to feel sorry for Gold Cost next year when we come up against them...
Their coach will be building it up as a big test, with the world watching a team desperate for redemption and the opportunity that this presents to gain respect etc. They will be crapping in their pants and I can't wait to watch it!

We need to massacre them....

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