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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:39 pm 
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Changes I would like to see that I think will improve the structure (with the caveat that we pretend they are all successful in their positions):

Gibbs - Half Forward. Very good set of hands and good kick. Plus, when in defensive mode, he can deliver the ball well into the fwd 50.
Scotland can maintain the role across the half back line however actually lining up as a 'winger' or midfielder, just a defensive one.

Henderson - To play in the forward line for at least 2013. Give another year of experience and assessment to Casboult and Mitchell. I think between Jamo, Duigan, Laidler, Yarran, McInnes (when he plays again), McCarthy, Touey etc, the defensive line has enough height without Hendo. Won't quite be as poised since there are some inexperienced guys in there but then again Hendo isnt exactly a 300 game player. They all need to step up.

Garlett - Spending more time on the ball.

Yarran - More time on the ball.

Not too many changes, but they are significant in a way. Particularly the moves to bring two circa 2012 defenders into the fwd line (where they belong imho lol)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:43 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Jeffie Garlett as our Gavin Wanganeen..........small defender solved


As much as I admire Jeffy and as much as I hated Wanganeen . Wanganeen would do something that Jeffy would never do and that was put your body on the line. The number of times he would get crunched and you would think he is not getting up from thst only for him to bounce to his feet and keep playing .

Jeffy is no Wanganeen


All very speculative I know, but you just never know what will transpire with a new coach that will be looking to test the boundaries.

One thing is for sure, he won't be happy to settle on two permanent fwd pockets. So something is going to have to give.

Re putting his body on the line, I'd argue that when he is 'on', Jeff has demonstrated a tremendous capacity to apply tackling pressure


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:46 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
london blue wrote:
Jeffie Garlett as our Gavin Wanganeen..........small defender solved


As much as I admire Jeffy and as much as I hated Wanganeen . Wanganeen would do something that Jeffy would never do and that was put your body on the line. The number of times he would get crunched and you would think he is not getting up from thst only for him to bounce to his feet and keep playing .

Jeffy is no Wanganeen


Jeff Garlett is Cale Morton-esque in his willingness to take a hit.

Soft as butter on a hot day!

Should be replaced in the side by Buckley next year until he pulls his finger out.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:10 am 
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Have to say (as a previous non-fan of Simon White) I was very impressed with the games he played for us late in the year. Would be more than comfortable swinging Hendo forward (where he belongs) and relying on any of Jamo, White, Watson and McCarthy + Laidler, Duigan, McInnes, Bootsma as the Tall and medium defensive options.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:16 am 
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The Shag wrote:
Have to say (as a previous non-fan of Simon White) I was very impressed with the games he played for us late in the year. Would be more than comfortable swinging Hendo forward (where he belongs) and relying on any of Jamo, White, Watson and McCarthy + Laidler, Duigan, McInnes, Bootsma as the Tall and medium defensive options.


Yeah, I'm a bit of a fan of White. I reckon he's a good third defender.

Even if we cut him I reckon he'd find a home pretty quickly.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:55 am 
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sstormin123 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
london blue wrote:
Jeffie Garlett as our Gavin Wanganeen..........small defender solved


As much as I admire Jeffy and as much as I hated Wanganeen . Wanganeen would do something that Jeffy would never do and that was put your body on the line. The number of times he would get crunched and you would think he is not getting up from thst only for him to bounce to his feet and keep playing .

Jeffy is no Wanganeen


Jeff Garlett is Cale Morton-esque in his willingness to take a hit.

Soft as butter on a hot day!

Should be replaced in the side by Buckley next year until he pulls his finger out.


Jeffy may be a lot of things, but he is no Wanganeen!
Unfortunately, his propensity to avoid contact is not something that will be able to be coached out of him that easily. It's in his make-up. The only thing I can think of is that he has short stints as an outside midfielder interchanging from the forward half. Otherwise, don't expect that he will suddenly be putting his body on the line in a contested situation

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:03 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
london blue wrote:
Jeffie Garlett as our Gavin Wanganeen..........small defender solved


As much as I admire Jeffy and as much as I hated Wanganeen . Wanganeen would do something that Jeffy would never do and that was put your body on the line. The number of times he would get crunched and you would think he is not getting up from thst only for him to bounce to his feet and keep playing .

Jeffy is no Wanganeen


Jeff Garlett is Cale Morton-esque in his willingness to take a hit.

Soft as butter on a hot day!

Should be replaced in the side by Buckley next year until he pulls his finger out.


Jeffy may be a lot of things, but he is no Wanganeen!
Unfortunately, his propensity to avoid contact is not something that will be able to be coached out of him that easily. It's in his make-up. The only thing I can think of is that he has short stints as an outside midfielder interchanging from the forward half. Otherwise, don't expect that he will suddenly be putting his body on the line in a contested situation


I don't think it will worry MM if Jeffy isn't a super hero.

He played Alan "the faint" Didak for years.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:13 pm 
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I'm so underwhelmed by the idea of Henderson as a permanent forward, it's not funny.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:37 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
I'm so underwhelmed by the idea of Henderson as a permanent forward, it's not funny.


Why?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:17 pm 
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I like Hendo, but I don’t think he is imposing enough playing as a KP forward. Even comparing him with Levi who in the few games he played certainly seemed to command more presence than Lachie in the F50

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:18 pm 
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx


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"I'd like to think he's going to be playing in the middle," Malthouse said.

The new Carlton coach said he would use Gibbs between half-back, half-forward and the midfield.

"He certainly has to come up that next level," Malthouse said.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:31 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
I like Hendo, but I don’t think he is imposing enough playing as a KP forward. Even comparing him with Levi who in the few games he played certainly seemed to command more presence than Lachie in the F50


..i think ppl forget how good he looked early for us at CHF, Hendo has plenty of talent and presence,, don't forget he struggled thru an injury for much of this season..

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:12 pm 
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I agree with marci and don't think i am forgetting anything. He looked ok as KPF early on. A couple of good games here and there. He has looked outstanding as the key defender we have been looking for for years and years.

Take the gamble out of it and play him in an important position where he has already proven he can play at an elite level.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:38 pm 
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Henderson is a more than just a good mark and reads play very well.
He's also very good below his knees and has built his engine considerably since joining us.

Will make for a very good CHF once we can confidently plant Watson or McCarthy down back although if he spends too much time in the back-line, he may not get the opportunity to be move forward


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:20 am 
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..i think ppl aren't taking into consideration natural improvement.. ..Hendo seems to look better at CHB, because he'd only played 35 odd games [maybe even less?] at CHF, spread over 3 seasons due to injuries, with a change of club thrown into the mix.. ..he's gotten fitter and stronger with us, and so he looks better down back because he's getting better as a player through natural development and games experience.. ..but it's not like he just looked sooo much better once moved down back.. ..his early CHB games showed he needed games and time to settle into position.. ..personally i think Watto has shown more, when taking into account he's a much younger/under-developed player with a 1/4 of the senior games experience in comparison to Hendo....

..ppl mention there's no need to move Hendo back, we've found our KPD, no need to risk/gamble him back fwd etc etc.. ..when all those arguements could have been made a couple of years ago to put the case that he should never have been moved to defense in the first place.. ..we've finally found the CHF/KPF we need, why risk a young player showing good form up fwd, why risk it etc etc..

..it's simple, look at our young KPP stocks [genuine kpps, not those that can "play tall"], and outside of raw players that need work [eg casboult], it's very much Hendo and Watto.. ..one is a natural CHF that can also play CHB, and the other is a natural CHB that can only play down back..

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:31 am 
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re: Henderson

I think people might be getting stuck in those rubbish CHF games he played at the start of 2011 when he was coming back from his hip (?) injury. He looked out of form and out of touch, a few kicks that he couldn't reach down for (with Carlton's wonderfully poor I50 delivery) stick in the mind. Then when we was put back he started to get some touch, and it could have just been from building his fitness up and getting back in to the swing of it.

I think he could make it as a CHF/FF and depending on development of McCarthy & Watson Henderson could still be played at both ends, particularly also swapping up for lead-up roles with Waite as a high HF / CHF. If I look at season 2012 the need was more key forward so I'd like to see him spend some time up forward again.

He's probably the only player >185cms we have who could kick a goal from the pocket. Kreuzer, Hammer, Waite... you'd just look away wouldn't you?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:38 am 
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re: Henderson

I think people might be getting stuck in those rubbish CHF games he played at the start of 2011 when he was coming back from his hip (?) injury. He looked out of form and out of touch, a few kicks that he couldn't reach down for (with Carlton's wonderfully poor I50 delivery) stick in the mind. Then when we was put back he started to get some touch, and it could have just been from building his fitness up and getting back in to the swing of it.

I think he could make it as a CHF/FF and depending on development of McCarthy & Watson Henderson could still be played at both ends, particularly also swapping up for lead-up roles with Waite as a high HF / CHF. If I look at season 2012 the need was more key forward so I'd like to see him spend some time up forward again.

He's probably the only player >185cms we have who could kick a goal from the pocket. Kreuzer, Hammer, Waite... you'd just look away wouldn't you?


..Walker you could bank on from the pocket circa 2011, not so much 2012..

..agreed regarding Hendo's early 2011 form.. ..he had little pre-season that year, and was rushed in to senior footy before he was ready and it showed, not a slight on him but rather the selection..

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:31 am 
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re: Henderson

I think people might be getting stuck in those rubbish CHF games he played at the start of 2011 when he was coming back from his hip (?) injury. He looked out of form and out of touch, a few kicks that he couldn't reach down for (with Carlton's wonderfully poor I50 delivery) stick in the mind. Then when we was put back he started to get some touch, and it could have just been from building his fitness up and getting back in to the swing of it.

I think he could make it as a CHF/FF and depending on development of McCarthy & Watson Henderson could still be played at both ends, particularly also swapping up for lead-up roles with Waite as a high HF / CHF. If I look at season 2012 the need was more key forward so I'd like to see him spend some time up forward again.

He's probably the only player >185cms we have who could kick a goal from the pocket. Kreuzer, Hammer, Waite... you'd just look away wouldn't you?


Yep, he has plenty of natural talent however its his acceleration that concerns me. He doesnt appear to have that ability to gain 5 metres on his opponent when leading at the ball.
I'd love to see him make it though. Ripping bloke.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:50 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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re: Henderson

I think people might be getting stuck in those rubbish CHF games he played at the start of 2011 when he was coming back from his hip (?) injury. He looked out of form and out of touch, a few kicks that he couldn't reach down for (with Carlton's wonderfully poor I50 delivery) stick in the mind. Then when we was put back he started to get some touch, and it could have just been from building his fitness up and getting back in to the swing of it.

I think he could make it as a CHF/FF and depending on development of McCarthy & Watson Henderson could still be played at both ends, particularly also swapping up for lead-up roles with Waite as a high HF / CHF. If I look at season 2012 the need was more key forward so I'd like to see him spend some time up forward again.

He's probably the only player >185cms we have who could kick a goal from the pocket. Kreuzer, Hammer, Waite... you'd just look away wouldn't you?


Yep, he has plenty of natural talent however its his acceleration that concerns me. He doesnt appear to have that ability to gain 5 metres on his opponent when leading at the ball.
I'd love to see him make it though. Ripping bloke.


It is his set shots at goal that concern me more - He would be a very good CHF/FF if he could kick the dam goals after he takes the marks

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:14 pm 
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Jez1966 wrote:
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/150763/default.aspx


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"I'd like to think he's going to be playing in the middle," Malthouse said.

The new Carlton coach said he would use Gibbs between half-back, half-forward and the midfield.

"He certainly has to come up that next level," Malthouse said.


You would think Gibbs would take Judd's role as, or when, Judd slows down a bit, with Judd shifting to the forward line (although he is one of the worst set shots for goal in the team).


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