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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:47 pm 
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I don't think I'm being overly critical of Boots. I'm simply stating that Im concerned about his ability to compete against big bodies.

Doesn't mean he can't.

As for Armfields disposal it's improved out of sight and a comparison with Bower is not justified.


What did you think about Robert Murphy after 12 months?


I like Rob Murphy, he makes a few mistakes at critical times, but a real good mover. I'm not sure Boots is exactly the same, but I can see your line of thinking.

But would Rob Murphy have played in a Collingwood flag side?

I'm not so sure he's MM's kind of player and I'm not sure Boots is either.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:37 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
GWS wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
I don't think I'm being overly critical of Boots. I'm simply stating that Im concerned about his ability to compete against big bodies.

Doesn't mean he can't.

As for Armfields disposal it's improved out of sight and a comparison with Bower is not justified.


What did you think about Robert Murphy after 12 months?


I like Rob Murphy, he makes a few mistakes at critical times, but a real good mover. I'm not sure Boots is exactly the same, but I can see your line of thinking.

But would Rob Murphy have played in a Collingwood flag side?

I'm not so sure he's MM's kind of player and I'm not sure Boots is either.


Do you really think Malthouse would have ditched a talent like Murphy?

He may have found him a different role but Murphy's an excellent footballer and the idea that you'd find a place for Nick Maxwell and not Rob Murphy beggars belief.

There seems to be some sort of fantasy that Malthouse only likes imbeciles who can't think for themselves but if you look back over his successful teams there have been plenty of independent thinkers.

Obviously Bootsma isn't Murphy at this stage but there are similarities in the way they move and all three of them (Boots, Murph and Maxwell) have weird neck/head arrangements so that at least won't work against him.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:45 am 
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TC should have written Malthouses biography.
Most people here know more about his likes and dislikes, preferences and expectations than Mick does. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:51 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
TC should have written Malthouses biography.
Most people here know more about his likes and dislikes, preferences and expectations than Mick does. :lol:


Couldn't agree more, plus we could have erased 2010 from the record books. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:10 am 
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Bootsma will be a very very good player. He is a baby in football terms but has the tools.

Play him on a wing as an outside player and let him develop. As he bulks up (which will take 3-4 pre seasons) he can then match up if needed.

My opinion: Will be a Star! :smoking:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:29 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
TC should have written Malthouses biography.
Most people here know more about his likes and dislikes, preferences and expectations than Mick does. :lol:



History is a great teacher: you either take note, or you don't.
Listen and one will learn: MM does speak, and makes many comments about his likes and dislikes and summations od situtations and players (moreso recently as a paid commentator).

Do you believe everything to be fact when you hear the opinions of those who have worked for him?
There must be something in what they say, so I take interest in that too.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:14 am 
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I'm not convinced by ROK. I haven't seen the pace some seem to think he has.


That's because he doesn't have it. He's slowish by AFL standards. Might be an elite kick, but not much chance making it at AFL level as a defender due to his pace deficiencies. Slow players get exposed playing in the 50 metre arcs. Will need to play midfield if he's going to make it.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:31 am 
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ROK isn't slow. He's average paced but has a nice burst nowadays. Cut through packs in the Saints game and plenty more times in the VFL.

The Bootsma talk is just confusing. Kid is a star.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:54 am 
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Calling him "a star" is just as bad as writing him off after one season.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:01 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
Calling him "a star" is just as bad as writing him off after one season.

I watched enough of his games in the AFL and VFL to see that he surpassed many of our defenders in his first year while showing that he has the fundamentals to become a real weapon when he adds some size and gets more years of coaching. Sorry for making an assertion based on evidence.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:32 am 
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GWS wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
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cimm1979 wrote:
I don't think I'm being overly critical of Boots. I'm simply stating that Im concerned about his ability to compete against big bodies.

Doesn't mean he can't.

As for Armfields disposal it's improved out of sight and a comparison with Bower is not justified.


What did you think about Robert Murphy after 12 months?


I like Rob Murphy, he makes a few mistakes at critical times, but a real good mover. I'm not sure Boots is exactly the same, but I can see your line of thinking.

But would Rob Murphy have played in a Collingwood flag side?

I'm not so sure he's MM's kind of player and I'm not sure Boots is either.


Do you really think Malthouse would have ditched a talent like Murphy?

He may have found him a different role but Murphy's an excellent footballer and the idea that you'd find a place for Nick Maxwell and not Rob Murphy beggars belief.

There seems to be some sort of fantasy that Malthouse only likes imbeciles who can't think for themselves but if you look back over his successful teams there have been plenty of independent thinkers.

Obviously Bootsma isn't Murphy at this stage but there are similarities in the way they move and all three of them (Boots, Murph and Maxwell) have weird neck/head arrangements so that at least won't work against him.


I'm not sure if MM would have ditched Bob Murphy, but he'd be playing a different type of footy to what he has been for a decade. Maxwell is an outright defender and a very good leader, Murphy is neither.

I just believe Boots will be given some very strict instructions on how he will play and, if he doesn't pick it up quickly, I still maintain he's at risk.

Hope he makes it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:27 pm 
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Wouldnt all players be at risk if they dont play to instruction?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
Wouldnt all players be at risk if they dont play to instruction?


Yep.

It's a matter of not if he will play to instruction but if he can play to instruction given his body shape.

Boot's has some wonderful qualities.
Booming right foot kick.
Better than average left foot kick.
Great height.
Excellent speed.
Good mark.
Good spoiler.

But his short coming is his body shape. If he finds himself down back again he's at real risk of being isolated and ragdolled by a player his same height (or bigger) or beaten on the ground by a player who's smaller.

In days gone by he could have run around the wings picking up kicks at his leisure, or even be an unaccountable HBF, but that footy doesn't exist (or if it does it doesn't work in finals) particularly in MM's world.

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Boots looked right at home until the Hawthorn game when the ball was going in our defensive 50 with ease. Franklin/Hale/Gunston etc are no slouches. All he needs is time and we can give it to him, we're not short on back flankers.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:32 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Megaman wrote:
Wouldnt all players be at risk if they dont play to instruction?


Yep.

It's a matter of not if he will play to instruction but if he can play to instruction given his body shape.

Boot's has some wonderful qualities.
Booming right foot kick.
Better than average left foot kick.
Great height.
Excellent speed.
Good mark.
Good spoiler.

But his short coming is his body shape. If he finds himself down back again he's at real risk of being isolated and ragdolled by a player his same height (or bigger) or beaten on the ground by a player who's smaller.

In days gone by he could have run around the wings picking up kicks at his leisure, or even be an unaccountable HBF, but that footy doesn't exist (or if it does it doesn't work in finals) particularly in MM's world.

He does go in hard though for a player of his size. Malthouse will like his competitive edge so I cannot see him going tbh.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:56 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:

It's a matter of not if he will play to instruction but if he can play to instruction given his body shape.

Boot's has some wonderful qualities.
Booming right foot kick.
Better than average left foot kick.
Great height.
Excellent speed.
Good mark.
Good spoiler.


But his short coming is his body shape. If he finds himself down back again he's at real risk of being isolated and ragdolled by a player his same height (or bigger) or beaten on the ground by a player who's smaller.



:? Cripes. I'd take a young kid at 190cm with those skills any day.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:11 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:

But his short coming is his body shape. If he finds himself down back again he's at real risk of being isolated and ragdolled by a player his same height (or bigger) or beaten on the ground by a player who's smaller.

In days gone by he could have run around the wings picking up kicks at his leisure, or even be an unaccountable HBF, but that footy doesn't exist (or if it does it doesn't work in finals) particularly in MM's world.


I think you'll find Bootsma eventually in a position that another one of our skinny fellows does pretty good in. That being Simpson and on a wing with space to work in.

As Psych and Zee have already said, Boots has too many great qualities about him for us not to invest heavily into getting his body ready for a protracted career at AFL level.

Nothing is certain in life, but I'd happily accept a wager that Bootsma will become a quality player in our squad.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:19 am 
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Jeffie Garlett as our Gavin Wanganeen..........small defender solved


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london blue wrote:
Jeffie Garlett as our Gavin Wanganeen..........small defender solved


Can't see it personally, wing yes.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:07 am 
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Jeffie Garlett as our Gavin Wanganeen..........small defender solved


As much as I admire Jeffy and as much as I hated Wanganeen . Wanganeen would do something that Jeffy would never do and that was put your body on the line. The number of times he would get crunched and you would think he is not getting up from thst only for him to bounce to his feet and keep playing .

Jeffy is no Wanganeen

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