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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:31 am 
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Collingwood made the preliminary final, and now have 3 first-round draft picks the following season. They also were able to re-sign all their young guns, sign Cloke on good money, and effectively replace Dawes with Lynch until a younger guy is ready to go.

That's list management.


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We can't even arrange to upgrade a draft pick by off loading Russell to Collingwood.

Even Richmond (yes Richmond) managed to do that by offloading Angus Graham to Adelaide. :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:51 am 
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AGRO wrote:
JohnM wrote:
Collingwood made the preliminary final, and now have 3 first-round draft picks the following season. They also were able to re-sign all their young guns, sign Cloke on good money, and effectively replace Dawes with Lynch until a younger guy is ready to go.

That's list management.


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


We can't even arrange to upgrade a draft pick by off loading Russell to Collingwood.

Even Richmond (yes Richmond) managed to do that by offloading Angus Graham to Adelaide. :roll:


guys

list management? does that include investing in what you already have ie get the most out of it?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:00 am 
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london blue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
JohnM wrote:
Collingwood made the preliminary final, and now have 3 first-round draft picks the following season. They also were able to re-sign all their young guns, sign Cloke on good money, and effectively replace Dawes with Lynch until a younger guy is ready to go.

That's list management.


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


We can't even arrange to upgrade a draft pick by off loading Russell to Collingwood.

Even Richmond (yes Richmond) managed to do that by offloading Angus Graham to Adelaide. :roll:


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list management? does that include investing in what you already have ie get the most out of it?



That would be player development, and going by the fact that the 2 players we sponsored (who are no longer pictured on this site - or soon to be removed) were high first round picks, and really should by now be key members of our team and team leaders, but are now no longer with us should give us a clue that we suck at player development too.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:15 am 
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Only sides not to get other players in trade period swans(understandable) but still going for Tippett
Brisbane (incomprehensible ) Carlton (incomprehensible)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:57 am 
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Brisbane got Moloney and probably will get Martin

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:08 am 
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AGRO wrote:
london blue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
JohnM wrote:
Collingwood made the preliminary final, and now have 3 first-round draft picks the following season. They also were able to re-sign all their young guns, sign Cloke on good money, and effectively replace Dawes with Lynch until a younger guy is ready to go.

That's list management.


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


We can't even arrange to upgrade a draft pick by off loading Russell to Collingwood.

Even Richmond (yes Richmond) managed to do that by offloading Angus Graham to Adelaide. :roll:


guys

list management? does that include investing in what you already have ie get the most out of it?



That would be player development, and going by the fact that the 2 players we sponsored (who are no longer pictured on this site - or soon to be removed) were high first round picks, and really should by now be key members of our team and team leaders, but are now no longer with us should give us a clue that we suck at player development too.


yep, got it....dont disagree.

but at some point in time you make choices
1) look forward with a positive view and back the coach and his team now in place
2) look at history look at things in the negative

choice is what we are all faced with

through out 2012 we complained about our coaching staff, our board and our management of injuries. relatively speaking our list was and is the least of our challenges


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:08 am 
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Sorry Rhino you are right so only Carlton and Swans havent got players in trade/FA period - still understand the swans they won it as we all know - every other club saw the need to trade in players Hawthorn are still at it this morning -Carlton well our list is good enough - gee I could of sworn we lost to PA and GC thats right it was all the coach


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:29 pm 
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When you sign certain players to multi year contracts when they should've been on 1 year contracts, you clog the list up and have no room to trade for players. Lets hope we learn a lesson from this.
On the bright side Mick can have a look at all the players and next year expect a few more changes, plus we must have a bit of room in the cap and maybe get a decent player. Most players traded will be lucky to be in the best 22 of their new club.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:22 pm 
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All this proves is that people perceive "action" during trade week to be good, and "inaction" to be bad ... wothout bothering to analyse the sum total of the moves.

Look a bit harder and you'll see that Melbourne are a basket case. Trading out a top 12 draft pick for Cam Pedersen, a top 3 pick for pick 88, bringing in Byrnes and Rodan who have played their best footy already, having to pay over the odds (ie more than double his Pies wage!) for Dawes ... should we go on???!!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:38 pm 
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All this proves is that people perceive "action" during trade week to be good, and "inaction" to be bad ... wothout bothering to analyse the sum total of the moves.

Look a bit harder and you'll see that Melbourne are a basket case. Trading out a top 12 draft pick for Cam Pedersen, a top 3 pick for pick 88, bringing in Byrnes and Rodan who have played their best footy already, having to pay over the odds (ie more than double his Pies wage!) for Dawes ... should we go on???!!!!

Good argument when youre using the Melbourne example....

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:46 pm 
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Geelong getting Josh Caddy is about the only trade worthy of note.

The rest are all so-so.

Melbourne ARE a basket case.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:55 pm 
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I think Techkno that Hawks getting Jed Anderson effectively for Gilham unfortunately is a bloody good get and understand that recruiters rate him really highly and see this as the steal of the draft - a better move than Caddy


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:59 pm 
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IMO I would of liked to get Caddy but keeping pick 11 should get us a good player.

Not much else to get excited about.

I would of really liked to trade away a ruckman for a good pick inside 25 but wasn't going to happen. Clubs that are able to get young guns like Anderson or Hogan are smart.

Hopefully now we will get some good young kids in the draft.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:26 pm 
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Hawthorn & Collingwood have nailed the trade period. Hawthorn more-so and the premiership is as good as theirs! Big pill to swallow.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:42 pm 
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Would love to know how much room in the TPP we have :?:

Is pick 71 better value than one or two strugglers currently on our list ?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:47 pm 
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Apparently Hawks were a good thing to win the flag this year.

Ask passionate Hawks supporters how they feel about losing Young. Not so good.

Trades are always possible regardless of contracts etc

We can safely assume Malthouse has been a big part of the process. I'd judge our trade performance on the last day of September 2013!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:30 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
IMO I would of liked to get Caddy but keeping pick 11 should get us a good player.

Not much else to get excited about.

I would of really liked to trade away a ruckman for a good pick inside 25 but wasn't going to happen. Clubs that are able to get young guns like Anderson or Hogan are smart.

Hopefully now we will get some good young kids in the draft.


If Tippett has to go in the Draft then I am tipping ( :razz: ) one of thosea talented 18 year olds may slip to us at Pick 11.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:33 pm 
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Dukes wrote:
All this proves is that people perceive "action" during trade week to be good, and "inaction" to be bad ... wothout bothering to analyse the sum total of the moves.

Look a bit harder and you'll see that Melbourne are a basket case. Trading out a top 12 draft pick for Cam Pedersen, a top 3 pick for pick 88, bringing in Byrnes and Rodan who have played their best footy already, having to pay over the odds (ie more than double his Pies wage!) for Dawes ... should we go on???!!!!


Well said. People just can't help themselves. The grass is always greener on the other side...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:53 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
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All this proves is that people perceive "action" during trade week to be good, and "inaction" to be bad ... wothout bothering to analyse the sum total of the moves.

Look a bit harder and you'll see that Melbourne are a basket case. Trading out a top 12 draft pick for Cam Pedersen, a top 3 pick for pick 88, bringing in Byrnes and Rodan who have played their best footy already, having to pay over the odds (ie more than double his Pies wage!) for Dawes ... should we go on???!!!!


Well said. People just can't help themselves. The grass is always greener on the other side...


Bull crap - the analogy hardly fits, there's seventeen 'other sides' for a start. Two years in a row that a mediocre club has to rely on the right players to somehow converge on the club from three mediocre draft picks - it's not good enough!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:06 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
Collingwood made the preliminary final, and now have 3 first-round draft picks the following season. They also were able to re-sign all their young guns, sign Cloke on good money, and effectively replace Dawes with Lynch until a younger guy is ready to go.

That's list management.


Ding ding ding!

Vigorous, VIGOROUS co-sign.

But anyway, lets get serious. We've got less surgeries this year. JUST GIVE US THE CUP!!!


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