Hodge is a glorified half back flanker. Judd is a top level midfielder.
No comparison.

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FMD Colourman, I can buy some bits of your thinking but spare us the Ball Hodge Judd draft discussion. Judd won that years ago, because he's the best midfielder, dual Brownlow Mwdallist, and every club would offer Judd more, hence...you got my drift.

NON COMPARISON.
JUDD >>>>HODGE

Not saying Hodge isn't good...just sayin'...you know

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Looks pretty sure that Roos will make himself available to coach next year, so our hasty and expensive decision to get Mick to wander down at some stage before Xmas to take up the coaching reins needs to result in a flag in 2013 to be worth the massive cost. I wasn't a Ratts fan but as per 2011 I think he wd have us top 4ish with a good run of injury in 2013, so Mick, on his megabucks should do way better and appointing him costs us the opportunity to sign up a better coach - Roos- next year. Roos harnessed and developed the Bloods Culture, something we all envy, set up a standard at Sydney that has a reasonable list playing at premiership level. He doesn't seem bitter, vain or vindictive. So par round for Mick in 2013 is a flag - hang on I'll make it easy - a GF, anything else and we have lost on the deal. There is no honeymoon period when you are the sole candidate for the job and name your own price.

For mine, the longer term pain would have been worth it.
Also, the perception of our club by the wider footy community, that would take decades of excellence to shift. Same for any of the old Melbourne clubs perhaps, but we may take the longest.

Doesn't mean I'm not going to enjoy the journey along the way though. I don't have to like MM to get on board, and hope we have great success and improvement this year.
No way will we win the flag though. Not a Fev's chance at Carlton.

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Agree completely gerry.

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+1

(that said Ratts should have been hitting the same mark next year if he had stayed on. We have the list if they're not all injured)

Good points Gerry although Roos may still be an option. I'm not convinced Malthouse will see it out.
I've seen it happen with plenty of players and several coaches. They crave the adrenalin rush of game day but no longer have the hunger for the mundane stuff that occurs day to day to make it happen. The impositions on your time and family life to commit to a football club 6 days a week. The 6 months of pre-season.
I suspect Micks ego is a driving force and the want to prove Collingwood wrong but that's all short term stuff. His want to defer starting til November 1 is indicative IMO. I've watched plenty of coaches at TAC and lower levels go through the same process. Late starts to the season, handing the reins to others to do training etc. Its a pattern that shows they should have walked away the moment they were unsure.
I'll be interested to see how it plays out.
For Carltons sake, I hope I'm wrong and Mick leads us for 3+ successful seasons.

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If you believe that Ratts would get us a top 4 spot next year, the world would marvel at this great achievement thus rendering the get Roos 2014 scenario null and void.

In that time we'd hope that Ratts would have a game plan that can stand up in finals or at the least, beat Hawthorn during h/a.

Now I'm not sure how MM will go coaching us, time will tell, but 2013 is the season Carlton were seeking a coach... to wait another year for Roos to beg his missus is just lunacy.

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Don't agree Hornet. I reckon if Ratts had us next year the bar would have been flag or move on. Remember the people who sacked him are the same who contracted him for next year and cost us a fortune with their decision making as they have with each coach over the last decade. To assume they have made a considered decision with Malthouse is to assume they know what they are doing with regard to coaching appointments. What has happened over the last ten years to suggest that?

I didn't rate Ratts but given the cost involved clearly MM has to do way better than Ratts. Ratts took the list to 3pts from a prelim. Mick clearly has to do way better than that, and if it doesn't work out do we pay him out again in two years?

The main problem anyway is that no-one at admin or board level takes responsibility for our record of poor appointments. And appointing Malthouse is a bandaid, our problems are endemic and we need some serious changes to our whole culture starting with the board. Next year 4 of our board members will have been appointed not voted in, how arrogant and out of touch is that. We know the board think supporters are irrelevant fools (unless they need our membership money to pay for their latest contract payout), but at least they cd pretend they have some respect for us. The club is dependent on the largesse of a few obscenely wealthy people who may or may not know much about footy and whose interest may wax or wane anytime.

Not sure about anyone else but after supporting them for 50 years my interest and engagement has never been lower. We have gone back to being a passing interest for the rich.

Amen.

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There is no way anyone can justify "waiting" til Roos was available!!!

I was not a Ratts apologist and I was not in favour of MM but there was far too much at stake with list development and attitude to let things lie for 12 months.

You say MM has cost us plenty but don't think for a moment Roos was going to take less $$$ from us. There will be a culture change at the Blues with MM, maybe even more than with Roos....... who knows??

Roos coming in next year would not change the things you are disillusioned about anymore than MM's appointment will this year.

Dont worry about the coaches wages, that money will come from benefactors as will Ratt's payout and indeed any $$ Roos would have commanded!!

What's to say Roos would have wanted the job rather than go to another club?

Considering the lack of coaching changes this year it's a fair bet there'll be a few for him to choose from at the end of next year if he's keen.

And to wait for the possibility of someone becoming available who may or may not want to coach us is nuts.

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Agree. You are making it sound like Roos is a certainty to coach next year and would definitely choose us

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As an outsider my guess would say that Roos would be more of a candidate for that to happen to then MM.

Remember unlike Roos, Thompson, Blight etc he never stepped away by choice.

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Can someone tell me why the fascination around Roos?

Had his moment in the sun but the perception seems to be that he'll just step back into coaching and it will be business as usual.

I don't know. I just see Malthouse still having the drive to achieve whereas Roos lost me in his last year of coaching.
All seemed just a little bit of fun for him, from what I gleaned.

More for the long term cultural change he brought Harker.

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Hearing really good things of Malthouse already.
That would though be the case with any coach and their new club, but new processes and ideas are already showing up.

Remember though that Sydney is quite isolated so if a squad gels it gels well and if not...............

Malthouse did a pretty good job with The Pies also, by having players wanting to work for him.
Isn't that exactly what we want to see?

I think the squad in Syd runs well because of the environment that the players work in. at leasrt that's the widely written about perception. It's not the luck of personalities.
You have a point about MM, but it's hard to forget him calling Milney a rapist, then lying about it, then 'fessing up because he was caught on camera. I wouldn't compare his version of values with the way that Sydney is run. I can't help feeling that MM plays mre to favorites aka Daisy.
I see Roos as the new way forward, and Malty more the past. Not to say that MM won't be good, or to deny that he did mould together a motley crew. it's just that you asked why some really wanted Roos. I prefer the game style that Longmire has now, but the underpinning work that people laud right now, surely that's come from Roos?

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

This

I agree completely. I'm not saying Roos is the ideal candidate.
I'm just saying Malthouse staying 3 years isnt a given in my eyes. He has one foot in retirement already IMHO.

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