And, re ''Trade Warnock''. Isn't there a rule that a player can't be traded within the first 12 months of signing or re signing a new contract ?

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The problem with Socialism is, you eventually run out of other people's money.

From all accounts this draft is a beauty! Calibre of kids is very good and bats pretty deep so hopefully the club has decided to hold on to it's top picks rather than trade them away.

I too think we will be involved in 1 or 2 trades....being 'quiet' and making 'minimal changes' doesnt mean no activity at all. Just nothing major.

Apart from trying to move on Russell and Thornton (and possibly Bower and even Warnock for the right deal) I'd expect to see us take the risk and offer our 3rd round pick for Gumbleton and perhaps look to bringing in a 24-26 year old mid that can offer us some experience and depth (and come cheap).

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One of the reasons for our now oft-quoted lack of activity.

Probably still be some Lailder-esk fiddling around the edges.

Someone might come after 206. It was quoted on here that having three rucks on our list was a "luxury" ... which is why he might be a player we could use to improve or add to our position in the draft. And that is never a bad thing. Would help with the cap problems as well.

Imagine the list carnage if we had to shoehorn Cloke's deal in there as well

But if 206 stays put, three rucks is a nice problem to have, especially given their recurring injuries. And if he gets a preseason and a decent run at it, he has plenty to offer.

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

MM has made it fairly clear he wants another big tall forward to relieve in the ruck. Going to 2/2 next year will make it vital. Whether its White/McKernan/Gumbleton/Martin or someone else it will still cost. Hopefully for a player trade but I'm not sure we have much of value.

I would be rapt for us to get another 1-2 picks before about 40. I personally think its the best way to go. But how do we do it? Need to be honest about a players value. Hampson, Kruezer, Warnock, Lucas, Garlett, Waite etc? Can't really see it happening.

As I have said before IMO our list is Top 4. Be great to see a Tall Forward/Second Ruck added and about 4-5 draft picks inside Top 40. That would be great IMO. We will also have a number of rookie spots to fill. Can we come up with some gold?

Whatever happens will be good to watch.

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Do you mean those players aren't worth a pick inside top 40 or we wouldn't trade them?

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

Either. I just all depends how much a club wants a player and what we are willing to do.

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You would expect so

I actually don't think we need another forward-cum-second-ruck, we have 2 already, one just promoted to the senior list (Casboult), another 2 years to go on a 3 year deal (Hampson). There is a third, albeit more unproven option in Rowe. Why do we need another? Develop those 3 and let then fight it out.'

What we do need is a genuine key forward to play along side the resting ruck, and allowing Waite to play third tall. Cloke and Tippett are out, leaves Dawes, Gumbleton and not much else of established players. You would imagine that Mitchell probably needs another year in the twos, so it would be handy to get someone else in. But they don't need to be able to ruck.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

i made exactly this point at the start of the finals about sydney - their culture, player selection, management, etc,etc leaves us for dead. i also made the point that they did it with virtually no top ten selections amongst their current list compared to about nine of ours. and hey presto what happens ..... a flag because their players give their all for the club - not like our softcock show ponies. dare i ask the question - how many flags have we won since the draft required clubs to be best at talent identification and development rather than go with a cheque book?

and what is this about the braindeads in management that want to risk losing tom bell because they want to keep him as a rookie rather than a spot on the senior list - if they do that and lose him i'll cancel my membership. he is worth ten gibbs and garlett for what he brings to the team

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one you knock back is one you never have

Lockett
Hall
Spider Everitt
Mumford
Kennedy
Tippett

then O'Keefe wants to leave and he stays ..... with a cheque book.

They are a well run club no doubt. With a million extra you tend not to have to rely on the draft.
If you want something you can just buy it which ironically is what Carlton was able to do.

No, Josh Kennedy was traded months after signing a new contract with us.

Hampson, Kruezer and Garlett would all easily be worth a pick inside the top 40. Probably warnock as well.

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Who's going to pay it? Who wants them? We can claim a player is worth X all we want but if another team doesn't agree they're not.

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An extra million which we don't have, besides, I'm sure they wouldn't win enough premierships if that was all they were doing.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I am just hanging for mcguire to start asking the afl how the hell swans can fit a 800-1m player in a premiership winning team. Funny how the Lions people have come out and said its pretty hard to compete with it - fn hypocrites lions, was nice when you guys had that extra help

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If we couldnt get at least a top 40 pick for the three rucks and a good small forward, you wouldnt even consider trading them. What would be the point?
Is there anyone on our list worth a first round pick? It seems not

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Hawthorn is well run, did they lose a flag because of the extra million?

..Cloke is a class above the others, i think Tippet is more a ruck/fwd vs true KPF.. ..Dawes, Gumby are KPF's, but Dawes has only had 1 good season and even that wasn't all that impressive coming from a full-time FF of a flag team.. ..Gumby has been injured non-stop and has half his spine fused.. ..neither him nor Dawes are any better for us than simply using Hendo up fwd..

..for me it's simple.. ..fast track Watto, Hendo had bugger all experience when he was forced to help down back.. ..Watto can hold down CHB, just put good structures and team defenders around him.. ..heaps of teams, better and worse than ours, have had good kid KPDs come on that were no better or more experienced than Watto.. ..this will release Hendo up fwd, a young quality CHF that we can build our fwd line around..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

You always assume the worst Psycho.
You dont think they're worth top 40 picks, I do.
Its just an opinion. Relax.

I suspect you charge about $150 per session for similar advice?

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Liver, fava beans and Chianti aren't cheap.