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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:46 pm 
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I love trade week. So much comedy on TC.


Choose your genre. You call it comedy, I call it horror.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:00 am 
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Trade week is about good-ordinary footballers names being bandied around on a regular basis over inflating their worth and pushing up their price.

Should be named the Audi trade week.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:13 am 
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Im glad we've held our nerve and not gone into bidding wars for average players! What BJ is getting is overs, Lynch I prefer not to have, but $400k is overs anyway, Tippett would be selling the farm for a guy who is terribly incosistent

Listening to MM say he is "happy with the list" was reassuring. The talent is there, just needs proper coaching and development. Recruiting a player via free agency is a bonus because you dont have to swap picks/players however there are still TPP impacts and the club needs to be diligent in that regard

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:00 am 
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muzza wrote:
Trade week is about good-ordinary footballers names being bandied around on a regular basis over inflating their worth and pushing up their price.

Should be named the Audi trade week.


And about supporters panicking when it appears those good-ordinary footballers might not be coming to their club. "Nobody wants us, why aren't we doing something?"


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:04 am 
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We have to stay calm and cool TC's.

We have to trust the judgment of Mick Malthouse. :smoking:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:54 am 
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Agree that we shouldnt do the knee jerk and trade week hasnt really started apart from free agency
It is difficult to determine any kernel of truth amongst the sea of mistruths in the trade period

Happy to trust Malthouse but we were told last year we didnt trade because our list is good enough and look where we ended (I acknowledge there are some other factors at play in this result) and I was guilty of it this year but isnt our list seriously overrated are the same people essentially saying internally at the football club that the list doesnt need tweaking - havent we needed some kind of power forward /marking forward for the last 3 years - not advocating trading for its own sake but one of the reasons that the hawks and swans were in the grand final was their ability to trade effectively - hawks to cover deficiencies have got hale burgoyne gibson and bargain basement gunston in the last few trade periods - swans have also traded adroitly


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:19 am 
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Adroitly is a good word.

Is that the first time ever used on TC?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:25 am 
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marciblue wrote:
Im glad we've held our nerve and not gone into bidding wars for average players! What BJ is getting is overs, Lynch I prefer not to have, but $400k is overs anyway, Tippett would be selling the farm for a guy who is terribly incosistent

Listening to MM say he is "happy with the list" was reassuring. The talent is there, just needs proper coaching and development. Recruiting a player via free agency is a bonus because you dont have to swap picks/players however there are still TPP impacts and the club needs to be diligent in that regard



Lets not forget we rated Hampson higher than Tippett in the 2006 Draft - so MM might see that with some decent coaching/development we havent seen the best of Hampson as yet and comes at probably less than half the price.

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AGRO wrote:
marciblue wrote:
Im glad we've held our nerve and not gone into bidding wars for average players! What BJ is getting is overs, Lynch I prefer not to have, but $400k is overs anyway, Tippett would be selling the farm for a guy who is terribly incosistent

Listening to MM say he is "happy with the list" was reassuring. The talent is there, just needs proper coaching and development. Recruiting a player via free agency is a bonus because you dont have to swap picks/players however there are still TPP impacts and the club needs to be diligent in that regard



Lets not forget we rated Hampson higher than Tippett in the 2006 Draft - so MM might see that with some decent coaching/development we havent seen the best of Hampson as yet and comes at probably less than half the price.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:38 am 
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..Hampson kicked 15.4 in half a season or so playing a new role, with a team that began to self-destruct after a few rounds in.. ..i think as a v.deep 3rd tall FP ruck relief he can be a viable option.. ..smarter, more creative and accurate kicking half fwds will also improve him, and other marking fwds next season..

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:50 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
marciblue wrote:
Im glad we've held our nerve and not gone into bidding wars for average players! What BJ is getting is overs, Lynch I prefer not to have, but $400k is overs anyway, Tippett would be selling the farm for a guy who is terribly incosistent

Listening to MM say he is "happy with the list" was reassuring. The talent is there, just needs proper coaching and development. Recruiting a player via free agency is a bonus because you dont have to swap picks/players however there are still TPP impacts and the club needs to be diligent in that regard



Lets not forget we rated Hampson higher than Tippett in the 2006 Draft - so MM might see that with some decent coaching/development we havent seen the best of Hampson as yet and comes at probably less than half the price.


IIRC, the filth under MM's reign were very keen on Shaun as well and there was a lot of word at the time that they were contemplating using pick 10 on Hammer as they feared he would not get to them at pick 28. And in that regard they were right

So it would appear that even MM would've likely rated him as well

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:25 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
marciblue wrote:
Im glad we've held our nerve and not gone into bidding wars for average players! What BJ is getting is overs, Lynch I prefer not to have, but $400k is overs anyway, Tippett would be selling the farm for a guy who is terribly incosistent

Listening to MM say he is "happy with the list" was reassuring. The talent is there, just needs proper coaching and development. Recruiting a player via free agency is a bonus because you dont have to swap picks/players however there are still TPP impacts and the club needs to be diligent in that regard



Lets not forget we rated Hampson higher than Tippett in the 2006 Draft - so MM might see that with some decent coaching/development we havent seen the best of Hampson as yet and comes at probably less than half the price.


IIRC, the filth under MM's reign were very keen on Shaun as well and there was a lot of word at the time that they were contemplating using pick 10 on Hammer as they feared he would not get to them at pick 28. And in that regard they were right

So it would appear that even MM would've likely rated him as well


Where at Pick 28 they chose Dawes as their big man rather than Tippett.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:44 pm 
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If only Shaun could stop destroying his PCL! I always keep thinking he is just a few games from taking the comp by storm he is off the park. What does Swan have, steel ribs?!!?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:04 pm 
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So, Hampson's now better than Tippet just because it looks we won't be getting the latter. :? Don't get me wrong, Hampson was worth drafting but one still wonders if he was taken too high. This is a funny place because players seem to go up and down in intrinsic value depending on the rhetoric.

I think what's needed is some perspective. I personally can't believe that one of Hampson, Warnock or even Kreuzer wouldn't be up for trade. We can't play all three and Casboult too in the one side. And before you say that that isn't the point, I urge you to think again.

The only thing I can think of is they have already gauged interest and think they won't get a decent enough deal out of it.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:09 pm 
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Didnt say was now better - I said at the time we rated him higher, and clearly as Marciblue points out MM rated Dawes higher than Tippett too.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:11 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:

I personally can't believe that one of Hampson, Warnock or even Kreuzer wouldn't be up for trade.

The only thing I can think of is they have already gauged interest and think they won't get a decent enough deal out of it.


How about the fact that it's not trade week yet for starters. How about the fact that it's very rare and probably counter-productive to announce to the world that we will definitely trade player a,b or c. How about if they have gauged interest and there is some? Why would they announce it now? Andrew McKay should really sign up to TC and fill us all in.


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Didnt say was now better - I said at the time we rated him higher, and clearly as Marciblue points out MM rated Dawes higher than Tippett too.


That depends on how a club works. In most cases, it seems that the recruiting department has most say on players, not the coach. The coach may declare they need a particular type of player, but it would have been Hine who picked Dawes before Tippett, not Malthouse.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:26 pm 
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AK43 wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:

I personally can't believe that one of Hampson, Warnock or even Kreuzer wouldn't be up for trade.

The only thing I can think of is they have already gauged interest and think they won't get a decent enough deal out of it.


How about the fact that it's not trade week yet for starters. How about the fact that it's very rare and probably counter-productive to announce to the world that we will definitely trade player a,b or c. How about if they have gauged interest and there is some? Why would they announce it now? Andrew McKay should really sign up to TC and fill us all in.


How about the thought I that I choose to take things on face value in these cases? :? :wink:

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AGRO wrote:
Didnt say was now better - I said at the time we rated him higher, and clearly as Marciblue points out MM rated Dawes higher than Tippett too.


Or perhaps simply the least risky? :sly: I don't think they are mutually inclusive things.

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Pafloyul wrote:
So, Hampson's now better than Tippet just because it looks we won't be getting the latter. :? Don't get me wrong, Hampson was worth drafting but one still wonders if he was taken too high. This is a funny place because players seem to go up and down in intrinsic value depending on the rhetoric.

I think what's needed is some perspective. I personally can't believe that one of Hampson, Warnock or even Kreuzer wouldn't be up for trade. We can't play all three and Casboult too in the one side. And before you say that that isn't the point, I urge you to think again.

The only thing I can think of is they have already gauged interest and think they won't get a decent enough deal out of it.


Hampson is probably on around 25% of what Tippett is on too..

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