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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:52 pm 
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Embrace the draft, embrace the draft, embrace the draft; develop leadership, strength of mind, strength of character.

We are so far from what Sydney represent. We have to recognise that.


What they did in 2009 was a masterstroke, but what we look to do is selfishly guard what we have and leave the rest up to some 'White Knight' of the year. Our players are all 'protected' until we lose patience and then we toss them out unceremoniously.

If the early mail is correct, that's exactly what we are going to be doing again.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:53 pm 
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Make sure you have a footy style will hold up in finals.

Make sure you are playing it well in Sept.

Swans played the best footy of all the sides in the finals and I actually think that the next best was the Dockers.


Hawthorn played better footy last night. Swans were more desperate across 4 quarters but they were outplayed in all facets of the game except straight kicking and tackles. Sydney stole that game and no amount of pretending they were the better team on the night can hide the fact. They just kicked straight. Just like Hawthorn did when they beat Geelong.

Sometimes that's all it takes. Take your opportunities when they arrive.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:57 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Make sure you have a footy style will hold up in finals.

Make sure you are playing it well in Sept.

Swans played the best footy of all the sides in the finals and I actually think that the next best was the Dockers.


Hawthorn played better footy last night. Swans were more desperate across 4 quarters but they were outplayed in all facets of the game except straight kicking and tackles. Sydney stole that game and no amount of pretending they were the better team on the night can hide the fact. They just kicked straight. Just like Hawthorn did when they beat Geelong.

Sometimes that's all it takes. Take your opportunities when they arrive.


Swans pressure meant a 10% diff in kicking efficiency. Kicking efficiency is the Hawks strong point and the Swans attacked it whilst maintaining their own discipline.

I predict that the Hawks will be heavily targeted next year by all top 4 aspirants and it will be interesting to see how they hold up.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:20 pm 
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Don't kid yourself that Hawthorn played a better game.
They played the best footy, but only for small patches, meanwhile Sydney played for 4 quarters.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:23 pm 
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The only point made is the one that was missed - and that is Sydney have the best team culture and player development program in the AFL.



And Coll under MM weren't that far behind.


Didak, Shaw, Swan .... the list goes on and on of Pies players doing whatever they wanted and getting away with it because they were star players. Mick has always said there are different rules for different players. His philosophy couldn't be further from the Sydney one.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:49 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Make sure you have a footy style will hold up in finals.

Make sure you are playing it well in Sept.

Swans played the best footy of all the sides in the finals and I actually think that the next best was the Dockers.


Hawthorn played better footy last night. Swans were more desperate across 4 quarters but they were outplayed in all facets of the game except straight kicking and tackles. Sydney stole that game and no amount of pretending they were the better team on the night can hide the fact. They just kicked straight. Just like Hawthorn did when they beat Geelong.

Sometimes that's all it takes. Take your opportunities when they arrive.

Swans played the best football. 109 tackles is outstanding, causing all sorts of pressure and just causing the Hawks to lose a bit of composure when they had the ball. Sure they had some passages of classy stuff, but that's not the same as playing the best footy all day. If the pressure creates an environment where you kick poorly at goal then the other team has played better footy.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:57 pm 
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IIRC from comments on the box earlier today, Swannies have played in finals in 14 of the last 17 seasons. Not sure how that sits with other clubs, but its impressive

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:31 pm 
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I have always been a HUGE fan of the Sydney system. Geelong are similar. Mediocrity is not tolerated, Great Leadership, Quality people, a finals game plan, never bottoming out, never over pay, look at all options, development, role players, competition for spots, TEAM.

We not only have to learn from this we need to be better. MM will help but there is more required. We need to be aggressive in the trade period. The Swans have turned over 33 players in three years yet have improved, not rebuilt! :clap:

There are a lot of very talented "fringe" players who arent getting regular games for many reasons.

If we can get Caddy with a player trade plus 3-4 others and still have picks in round 1-3 we will be in a very good position.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:18 pm 
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The lesson from today is that unless a club takes a medium to long term view to develop a premiership culture and fill its organisation with tough hard nosed, team oriented personnel, it will not triumph on grand final day. Some of the clubs decisions in relation to recruiting eg clloke and McLean are short term. I would argue swans 2 premierships are 4 football generations in the making
Barrassi lifted the club off the bottom
Eade brought modern football smarts
Roos developed the culture that delivered a premiership
Longmire aided by high grade lateral recruiting delivered sustained success and another premiership

Pratt and judd were our barrassi
Malt house hopefully will be our eade and hopefully roos we need to give him 3 to 4 years to build the platform absent during the ratten years.

Year 1 change game plan and culture. Finish 8 to 10
Year 2 second draft to remodel list. Finish 6 to 8
Year 3 game plan and culture cemented. This is when you target a big name. Finish 4 to 6
Year 4 challenging top 4 or better.

(note I don't rate the list as highly as some)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:04 pm 
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The lesson is we should have waited for Roos, but I hope I'm wrong.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:43 pm 
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this is what paul roos stated in one of he's footy articles.
go through every teams list and pick the best fringe player.
keep our first and second draft picks.
this is how the swans ended up with,
jk and mummy.
pretty simple.
draft hard mids who can kick


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:48 pm 
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What can we learn?
That people see what they want to see.
Hawthorn worked extremely hard, they just didnt capitalise on their opportunities. Sydney were very very good but they were also very lucky.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:55 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I have always been a HUGE fan of the Sydney system. Geelong are similar. Mediocrity is not tolerated, Great Leadership, Quality people, a finals game plan, never bottoming out, never over pay, look at all options, development, role players, competition for spots, TEAM.

We not only have to learn from this we need to be better. MM will help but there is more required. We need to be aggressive in the trade period. The Swans have turned over 33 players in three years yet have improved, not rebuilt! :clap:


The only similarity between Sydney and Geelong is a strong leadership and culture. Geelong have traded less than anyone yet they are the most successful team of the past half a dozen years.
So if you're looking for a pattern of success, its about drafting quality and developing your own. Not rummaging through everyone elses rubbish as you seem hell bent on.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:01 pm 
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Wells is one hell of a recruiter.. he gets some wrong.. but less than most.....

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:15 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Wells is one hell of a recruiter.. he gets some wrong.. but less than most.....


Any news on Lynch? Richo adamant he's going to Collingwood.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:18 pm 
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out of harmes' way wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Wells is one hell of a recruiter.. he gets some wrong.. but less than most.....


Any news on Lynch? Richo adamant he's going to Collingwood.

I dunno.... talk is Judd wants him... Pratts Matheson and Judd run this club... i doubt he will go to Collingwood...

but who knows????...

Anyway....i hope he doesnt come to us... abit of Cain Ackland about that...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:50 pm 
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Culture and system is what the swans have - every person in that club knows their role and the expectation - high performance. It's not difficult to build - you need to define it and live and breath it in everything you do, no matter what pick you were drafted, or what status you have in the game, this is the system and you conform, or you don't last.

Don't underrate the fact that being in NRL heart land helps keep the pressure from the media away, thus allowing no disturbances mentally.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:56 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
I dunno.... talk is Judd wants him... Pratts Matheson and Judd run this club... i doubt he will go to Collingwood...


:lol: .. So Sticks & Ratts weren't running the club after all ... :razz:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:01 pm 
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I dunno.... talk is Judd wants him... Pratts Matheson and Judd run this club... i doubt he will go to Collingwood...


:lol: .. So Sticks & Ratts weren't running the club after all ... :razz:

Ratts is gone... never to be given a coaching gig by anyone ever again.
Sticks is a stuffed shirt....


he is president in name only thesedays.

i think Sayer is guy puling the strings now.....or will be.....
But he is too smart to get involved in player list management Surrey.

And whats your point???

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:17 pm 
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The lessons we need to learn is that the club is run by more than 2 individuals.
I found the "Longmire to Dew" comment interesting, don't you Synbad. He expected Dew (midfield coach) to fix/address the issue at hand in the 1st quarter and not him as the head coach. Coaching panel working as one, just like the players on-field are expected to as well.


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