..i don't think we neccessarily under-value the draft pool, i think perhaps we might not have as much confidence in our recruiting to extract the maximum out of our draft picks so we're a little cautious of trading known players on our list for an iffy draft pick [iffy cos of a lack of faith in recruiting].. ..although i'm not sure what's poor recruiting, and whats poor development,, and what the ratio of these are in relation to our list..

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No I felt these comments were borne of your ridiculous comments. You've said the same things about Murphy (as an example) in the past. Trade him while he still has value.

You go way over the top with these assessments, and I do not understand how you feel throwing people out the door for a market price when they've shown loyalty and determination for the business and brand is a wise business decision for both internal and external stakeholders.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

My comments about Murphy were made with context if someone was stupid enough to make us an "Allan Bond type offer for Channel 9".

But I also said we shouldn't fall in love with players on our list and each trade or list management decision should be made with a view to improve our list.

I don't know what your sudden inclination to play the man is - you used to be so measured with your comments.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

I'm not playing the man... I'm asking you if you feel these are sensible comments. I'm asking for rationale.

I agree with what you've said there: the general process behind your thoughts. I don't agree with your specific views. No player should be safe, but required players should need to be ripped out of our hands with an excess of riches so we have something to show for the sacrifice.

Like it or lump it, Brock's very much a required player.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

..i think there's merit in saying if the offer is that good, everyone has a price.. ..but like all things, there's a price to pay in that as well.. ..loyalty and integrity isn't what it used to be, but i think there's only so many 'harsh' calls you can make before they start running away from you.. e.g kennedy and picks went west for Judd.. ..we all agree [mostly] that this is a win, but you dont wanna be the club thats getting kids to build a club around and then ready to sell them for gain when the opportunity presents itself.. ..while i can appreciate its a cut throat business, you cant be cut throat all the time.. ..otherwise you're inviting a culture where players will always strive to screw the club for max dollars/years in their contracts cos there's a lack of confidence in the club..

..i think the notion/concept of a player being "untouchable" in regards to trading is a good idea.. ..even if it's not strictly true, i think its good for players to strive to being the 'heart and soul' of a club and safe from the trade table..

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You reckon Fyfe is overrated/no good

Wowee ... What's got into Jim ... ?

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

Fyfe is no good. Fyfe is the most overrated player in the league. He has one of the worst disposal efficiencies in the league.

With the door now closed on Cloke as per the HSUN surely we must turn our attention to Goddard.

The ability to immediately add a high quality player for no trade or draft pick is simply to powerful to ignore.

Tend to agree with this. IF Cloke stays at Collingwood, I can't see why we wouldn't go for Goddard. Quality player, can play back, forward or mid, elite kick, can take a grab, and would come cheaper than Cloke.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Its a pretty simple question, would we be a better side with Goddard? Hard to argue we wouldn't given we don't have to give anything up to grab him.

We'd then have 2 players who'd be on our list commanding huge salaries, who could take the next step and dominate the game from the midfield, but instead choose to pick when they want to turn up and more content to chase loose kicks off half back..

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Won't get Cloke or Goddard. Simple.

Only hearing rumours regarding Lynch. A lot of people confident. I can't find anyone to back it up.

We are looking to be active. Look for a Laidler type to happen. A lot will depend upon who we trade etc. McLean one year deal on less money, Russell Thornton gone, Bower looking for trade as is Ellard. I am hoping we will trade a ruckman.

We are into Caddy in a big way. Toy has been discussed. Pick 11 is off the table at this point.

Key forward or Key back a priority.

Nothing mind blowing there but atleast we know they are looking.

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Seriously going for Lynch is really annoying me. The guy is so average now and with nothing but downside I just can't see what he offers.

Our starting tall fwds next year would be Waite and Casbolt

We would then have Hampson as back up and or Mitchell, just don't see why we would waste time with Lynch.

If they won't trade pick 11 no chance they will get Caddy so they may as well stop talking to GC.

Can't blame Mclean if he walks having only been given a one year deal. Money should be okay as we paid him overs for 3 years.

The hype around Casboult and Mitchell on this forum suggests a few might be disappointed next year. Hope I'm wrong, but personally don't think either have shown much at all. Mitchell nothing, and Casboult - seems like a reasonable mark, but still cant kick a footy.....after playing the game for 10+ years.

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"I had to eat"

Well, it all amounts to the same thing in a practical sense. How come year after year (in most cases) we come out of the trade period with one 'get' of the year plus two or three oddballs taken with lowish picks? Simbad calls them half back flankers but for practical purposes that may be a bit simplistic. However, where is the concerted effort to develop a spine and guts (metaphorically speaking)?

It's just year after year of keeping about 80% of our first round picks, playing loose with second rounders and drafting kids who are the most 'pre-made' with the left overs. How is that sustainable? Where is the effort in actually constructing a list with enough types of players to actually challenge the opposition when things get serious? You can't do that in sporadic bursts. Sure we need to 'develop' them but you need to invest in players that can become something worth putting the effort into.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

..good points, i think that it feels [may not be true], that the recruiting is kinda done individually per season with no longterm view of tieing the recruiting together over the years.. ..why we dont draft enough pure mids who knows, but i reckon in part its cos we dont run enough mids thru the middle, it's as if we dont truely place enough importance on it.. ..we've got a few gun mids, so we're covered..

..we're lucky enough to snag a top ten kpp via trade [Hendo], and look to building a fwd line around him at CHF [think his 1st season and start of 2nd].. ..so we in turn later draft Watto to help be a key in our backline.. ..fast fwd a season and a bit, and Hendo's stuck in the backline, and Watto's tried as a fwd.. ..it's this messed up approach thats just a series of kneejerk reactions, chasing our tails constantly with the choices made.. ..either no confidence or true understanding of our actual playing list, which is the worry cos without that recruiting is just try for whats best at any given pick..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Of course I meant 'first round picks', it has now been edited.

All this probably sounds like I am being even more critical than I really feel. I'll have more to say, no doubt.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I wish it was that simple.

I know the situation and I feel for Jeff. You would too if you knew what he's had to go through this year, and what he's going through now...wouldn't want it to happen to my enemy.

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Sometimes it pays to be well informed - Casboult is a late convert to AFL and started playing footy at 16...