Not a bad option if the 3 talls use their mobility. I didn't realise Casboult had it in him but he showed some real defensive pressure when he was in the 1s. Haven't seen enough of Rowe but he looks like he has reasonable mobility and we know Waite does. Add to that a real emphasis on defensive pressure from Betts and Garlett and whoever the other flanker is and the set-up would seem to be able to avoid letting the opposition defenders stream forward. That becomes more of an issue if we rest our ruck forward, Hampson has the pace to chase harder than he does, turning circle is more of an issue, but Kreuzer and especially Warnock are laible to be run off. But we may well not rest them forward with the suggested set-up. You might look to rest say Walker forward as the 3rd tall and rest the ruck off the ground. Or go a 2-talls set up just for a change-up. Or give Gibbs/Bell/Robinson the 3rd forward role for a bit.


Personally I prefer Walker as 3rd/4th tall and Gibbs/Bell/Robinson in the middle. A defence struggling to cover 3 talls might really struggle with Walker as well. but that is perhaps a matter of how the opposition lines up from game to game.

And of course if Jeffy has another year like 2012 he'll be likely out on his arse regardless of the defensive pressure he brings. Armfield by the end of the season was giving great defensive pressure and nailing goals too - so he's another real option up there.

I don't mind Tex rotating occasionally through the middle but I think our forward line is much more dangerous with him closer to goal.

As far a the rucks are concerned, if Casboult and Waite are in the team then I can really only see room for one ruckman. I think 206 could actually be the best one we have but so much depends on him getting his body right for him to achieve his full potential. I wonder if MM will be as beholden to Special-K as Ratts was ?

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Id prefer to keep Hampson out of the two but there may be other circumstances with contracts and stuff.

...also Hampsons value maybe higher with a new club if it means Gale will be seen in the rooms and at events. Good for the clubs image.

This idea of Hampson as a forward is just wrong. Yes, he can pinch hit but he is NOT a forward. I cannot see Malthouse playing two of any of our ruckman at anyone time. Who that will be is anyones guess and none of them are a standout.

Personally, whilst I think there is some ability is there they are nothing special. I wouldn't rank any off them in the top 15 in the competition especially given their injury concerns and lack of consistent output.

As for the comments on Walker. Leave him forward with small stints on ball. It's where he played his best football.

Seriously, with a gun midfield and right structures this forward line would stretch any side.

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Being rebounded against will be a worry with that 6. MM might have a different press that could allow it to work but I doubt it. The top teams this year except for Geelong at times only use the one KPF and one ruck/forward. That makes hampson more valuable that Warnock to us and makes it a contest out of Hampson and Casboult for that second spot.

Henderson to FB. Jamo traded. (just thought i would throw that in)

Having reviewed Hampson's numbers I will change my mind and not trade him...although I wouldn't like trading Warnock either.

Really depends on what we are offered - if the offer was clearly in our favour then I would trade one of them.

Hampson was on track to kick 25-30 goals...it was all starting to click for him.

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Fair chance Casboult will nail that and maybe more. Also a better forward. If you looking for a bloke to ruck for very short periods, as were we late this year, you want it to be a forward.

Don't want to lose either but with the excess of rucks there's real currency.

Don't see a rebound worry there. We saw Casboult run down Dempsey twice in one game.

West Coast play an abundance of talls forward. When North had their run they had 3 talls forward firing. Pies were always at their best under MM with 3 talls. Other's played 2 with one man rucking for 85% of the game and a forward pinch-hitting. Depends on how the side wants to structure up according to personnel and game plan.

If we want a forward pinch-hitting we want it to be a true forward not a ruckman. Hammer is not a forward. Warnock becomes more valuable as he provides something different and by far our best tap ruck. We already have similar types to Hampson but they are, bar Kreuzer, more forward types, which we want.

Love Rowe to come though this year, would allow us to play Waite as a HF 3rd tall. Waite isn't you ordinary tall. We can only hope there though with Rowe as we have no idea, hence can't bank on it. He's another forward who can ruck decently and won't be under the same pressure with the other talls around the forward line.

I'm guessing trading Jammo was tongue-in-cheek.

You'd want your forward to be able to kick accurately.

Hampson 15 goals 4 behinds to Casboult's 7 goals 12 behinds. We all saw against Gold Coast what inaccurate goalkicking result in.

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Westcoast didnt really have that many talls in their forward line this year. Darling = Walker in my scenario. In the end WC picked one too many talls and lost their biggest game of the year because of that and the fact that the ones that did play were rendered useless onces onball game got picked apart.

Norths 3 talls only worked on Etihad and was a reason they were so limp and lacking in options in their biggest game of the year.

Casboult did run down Dempsey but i would prefer we set up in a way that didnt allow dempsey to even get those 10 steps in in the first place if the ball at all.

I dont see it working. I reckon losing one tall from the arc is a change that has shifted into the game (apart from north and at times Geelong) since MM got the arse from Collingwood.
Ratts had us doing it a year before all that using Walker as the 2nd tall with Waite and resting ruck.

It might work having all that lumber in the arc but it will take a shift in the way we press.

For me it comes down to Casboult and Hampson fighting for a second ruck spot. Warnock is one dimensional but is good at that dimension when fit.

I thought WC's talls in that final against Collingwood really hurt them. Once the ball hit the deck, Collingwood were able to run it out with ease. The talls work when they're marking. As good as Darling is on the ground, WC were crying out for some really nippy smalls that night. In retrospect, they would have been better off had Lynch been suspended.

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Unfortunately Lynch will come to us i reckon.
Warnock or Hampson will be traded.
And we wil look for a ruckman in the draft with a late pick.

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Don't want Lynch, but would be very happy if points 2 and 3 happened.

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Hard to not have emotion clouding judgment on that one.

Warnock's never really seemed a Carlton player. Hampson has. I think that has a large part in who I'd rather see leave.

I think Warnock is the better chance of succeeding though....

Flip a coin.

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Problem with Lynch is he is one dimmensional... purely mark and kick...
He can kick a long scud....

His other problem is he isnt much taller than Thornton.. he might be a bigger body but thats about it...

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Lynch will be 30 next year. Casboult 23 and Mitchell 21.

I still think that Mitchell's another year away at least, but assuming Cloke stays at Collingwood, I'd rather keep developing Casboult than play Lynch. Casboult has shown a bit, and I'm not sure Lynch has anything more to offer.

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Actually Hampson has real good potential to be a decent forward. He crashes packs and makes a contest of everything thrown his way and lets not forget his monster height and athletic ability makes it very very hard to man up on. His marking can be questionable but he will improve and even if he doesn't mark it he will most likely bring it to ground and you got betts/garlett at his heels.

Expecting Casboult, Hampson, Waite etc to fill our key positions is foolish. Apart from the fact Waite and Hammer cant stay on the park, they're too inconsistent.
We need a class key forward and it should be our number one priority in the draft.

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Agree. Said in the game thread about how they missed LeCras, Nicoski or even Hams.

Have heard the last three times about how they are going to stretch the Collingwood backline. Twice this year, and once last year.

Also keep hearing about how everyone is going to stretch Hawthorn's defence, yet they are flag favourites.

It's about the collective. Pressure from the forwards to keep the ball in, two way pressure and running from the midfield to stop the transition and put heat on the delivery, as well as dominance and clearance and stoppages, and for the back 6 to work unselfishly avoiding 1 on 1's and being able to read where the ball will go to create pack situations etc etc.....

...not assuming 196cm players are going to destroy 193cm players...

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