He has angel wings tattooed on his back, his dad's a knob, Mick wants him at Carlton, he'll cost a lot, half of us want him and half of us don't, and until Collingwood exits the finals nothing will happen one way or the other.

no to great of a risk give me midfielders . ferals v hawks cloke 6 goals still got smashed.( casbolt fully fit and kiciing lessons)

Looks closer to 25% want him and 75% don't if you ask me.......

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I'm shocked to be sitting here

I don't get this logic. Pies had Swan, Pendlebury and Beams and still got smashed therefore you don't want them?

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Have I run too far to get home?

I'm back and forth:


He was at Eildon with a group when a girl got killed on a jetski.
He has been assaulted in pubs.
Someone shot bullets through his loungeroom window.
Could happen to anyone, just terribly unlucky...

He is tough and durable.
The man is a monster.
The best contested mark of the last 10 years.
We badly need a power marking forward.

Kicking is erratic and unreliable.
Casboult might step up anyway and we wont need Cloke.
Long term contract too risky
Salary cap pressure and risk of losing others on the list.

Judd window wont be open for long
Premiership within the next 3 years or when after this?
So hard to win
Now or never.

His father's a goose and his manager
His mum is worse
He's not that good
Something bad is bound to happen.


I think the cons outweigh the pros in my view.

You'll find theres a few of both in the Cloke family.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

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"If everyone is moving forward together, then success takes care of itself" - Henry Ford

..Hendo's talent will give us similar output with proper game systems and structures, with defined roles and a fully understood gameplan.. ..i think he's on a cusp, and if settled at CHF, with smart coaching he'll come on in a surge..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

I'm a big Henderson fan, and think with our current list he's our best bet at CHF. Question of course is whether we need him more at CHB. The answer to that lies with Watson and McCarthy.

But I don't see Henderson as anything like Cloke. Cloke is a beast, who can take strong one-on-one marks, is not bad in a pack, and good on a lead. Henderson is a lead up forward. I'd love to see both Henderson and Cloke in the forward line, with Waite the third tall, but again, we may need Henderson more down back.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

..i think Hendo can potentially give us a similar output, as he individually improves and the team does too.. ..he won't get that output in the same way Cloke does is all.. ..Hendo could grow into the sort of CHF that Jono is, in regards to playing style.. ..i'd really want to see Hendo developed as the CHF he naturally is, and Watto developed as the CHB he is.. ..let's not recruit and trade in players and then at the first hiccup try and redefine/reprogram them.. ..and this has been an issue at our club for near a decade and really ought to stop..

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Why is Henderson a 'natural' CHF? Name one real strength that screams out CHF. I see him as a backman because he's a real Jack of all trades and master of none.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

At this early stage of his career I think he's more comfortable as a KPD, BUT it's still early doors and he's got lots more developing to do.
Could well end up forward in the future.

The way he moves, leads up, marks etc. His reading of the play.
Is absolutely a natural CHF.
That's not to say that we aren't better off with him playing CHB.

..have watched him, and aside from running patterns, good hands on a fast lead, work ethic etc etc.. ..if you watch him at the ground, and can remember,, the way he positions himself, subtle 'tells'; such as body language, reaction times to play to my thinking showed him to be a more fluid instinctive player, vs him seeming to be more reactive and at times hesitant in the backline..

..i also think he's shown enough to say he does have strengths suited to CHF [also CHB, he is genuine KPP], but that his more recent development has been as a defender and so he looks good back there, but i think you need to be a very good player to be of a high standard either fwd or back, which Hendo has shown he can be and will be if settled in one position to grow..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

$5 mil over 5, no!

$3.2 mil over 4, maybe?

The look on Eddie's face if it happens, priceless

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When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way!

Sounds like Carlton with Fev.......

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Taylor Walker 5 goals, Crows into a Prelim.

This thinking is too simplistic, we could go back and forth with examples either way.

I highly doubt Casboult is the answer. It's not like he's got the yips... His kicking technique is fundamentally flawed. Even if it could be reconstructed, how long is that going to take?

Hopefully a new head of recruiting means we ignore players who can't kick. Baffling you can make it through the club's doors without being able to properly execute the key skill of our game.

It's obvious that Cloke would improve us. It's really just a question of the opportunity-cost of bringing him in, and whether it's too high.

Who knows? Maybe Judd has business life sorted after footy and could drop 200k a year to go out with a flag.

If the club is smart (yeah, I know, big if) there's ways to do this without screwing the pooch.

We need Hendo down back. Casboult kicks like a 5 year old. Mitchell has played one game and is years off. Waite plays 10 games a year. Neither of our three 200cm rucks are much good up forward.

I'm pretty sure the best contested mark in the game, a power forward who has proven he can kick multiple goals in finals, and one who played his best football under our new coach, would make us a better side.

The only trick is that we also need to address our midfield depth, and the backline is a bit skinny too. List management... Hasn't been our strong suit.

..i'm not sure we're so desperate for Hendo to be down back, i think Watto showed a bit, and i liked McInnes too [though thats a bit more longterm].. ..i think our need for a quality KPF is greater than need for a quality KPD if you look at our current list Hendo is needed fwd more then back.. ..unless you wanna pay overs to bring it in.. ..we can develop from within..

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It would be like moving a young Darren Glass forward because he is tall and can take a mark and showed good running patterns as a jnr.

The key backman we have been looking for for years is right there in front of us but you plan to move him forward because he "might" turn into Jonathan Brown. He doesnt have the power or the strut of a Grand Final winning key forward IMO. Maybe at best he can be a Mooney type but even he had a strut and some presence. Cant see it.

KPD found. Tick the box. Now lets find a forward to develop, draft or trade for.

Agree with Club again. KPD found, tick.

Hendo has shown me nothing as a forward. He doesn't have the smarts or the instincts, he runs to the wrong spots, he's not fast enough on the lead, his kicking for goal lacks depth, and he has been beaten almost everytime he has played there.

By contrast, he's much better with smarter players leading him to the ball, he fills the hole, he backs his judgement in one on one marking contests when he is the defender, he breaks forward, and his medium field kicking to position is good. He's beaten some good opponents back, he's beaten no-one forward and doesn't look like doing so.

Clearly a better back than forward.

Cloke would obviously be way better than anyone we have now or are likely to get or develop in the near future, but....