You can see by the talk and discussion this has started we clearly don't have a top line ruckman do we?

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Kreuzer/Hampson combo before Casboult came onto the scene. We would be a more mobile team without one of the ruckmen and Casboult pinch hitting in the ruck. High hopes for this kid.

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Yep. MM coming in will most likely want that as well. One good ruckman supported by Casboult, Rowe or Mitchell is our best scenario.

Personally, If I was to keep one ruckman it would be Warnock. If he can get fit he is the best of them. He doing 80% supported by the above is our best structure.

FWIW I don't think we will trade any which is a pity.

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..well, if Malty were to 'stay to type', he likes 3 tall fwds.. ..think of Cloke as the roaming CHF, Dawes as the hit-up FF and Brown was the fwd/ruck relief.. ..can we develop a similar set-up from within?, i think so..

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Apart from tapwork Warnock is useless. Cannot take a mark and has no physical presence. And most of his taps are lineball or to the opposition. Therefore it is probable that if anyone goes it is him.

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Damn right. Casboult, Mitchell, Henderson, Waite, Rowe can fill any of those roles. Be easy with a dominate midfield, structures and good ball use.

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kreuzer is massively over-rated. Warnock wins taps but not to advantage and both of them havent offered half of what Hampson has up forward.

Of the three, Hampson is the only one who can jump ffs. Hampson is the best contested mark in the side after Waite (and disregarding Casbaults 6 game average...). His ruckwork is heavily under-rated and his form is far too casually disregarded by people that still regard him as crap regardless of what he does right.

Following the Collingwood game in round 3, the Heraldsun reported that Hampsons ruckwork was a sensation lost in the hype surrounding Kreuzer, with Hampson winning the ruck 52% of the time, a strike rate that put him ahead of all but Patrick Ryder and Aaron Sandilands. If that wasnt enough 26% of those were hits to advantage, something the Heraldsun claimed was above the AFL average.

Mark Stevens wrote in the Heraldsun that

"For a supposed second string ruckman, Hampsons numbers are phenomenal"

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...t ... 6327168599

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..this is why i would keep developing Hampson.. ..and i think Krooz when fit showed exactly what he can do too, just think of the game they both played in that article, or say last season vs the swans, Hampson was v.good in that game too until he did his PCL, and Krooz was on fire.. ..i think they can play as a proper ruck combo..

..i think we have good talls, enough to perhaps offload Knockers, and no need to sell the farm contract wise for Cloke in regards to KPFs.. ..Waite as tall half fwd, Hendo/Levi as CHF/FF options.. ..provided there's a good understanding of eachothers running patterns and all share a high work ethic it can work.. ..good hands is the key..

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For mine I'd be ok with trading any one of them provided there's a keen buyer - preferrably someone keen enough to offer overs. What I don't want is for us to get the mindset that one of them has to go and do a crap deal just for the sake of making a trade.

This year showed that there is value in having ruck depth, and if all of them have good 2013's, (even if in the Ants), then that's only going to push up their price for 2014.

Bring back the days where St Kilda gave away picks #6 and #31 for Barry Brooks.

On that formula we could trade all 3 for the entire 2012 draft.

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Keep them all they spend more time sitting in the stands than on the ground

there will be no automatic selections with Malthouse so the rucks will have to lift their game
Good healthy competition between the 4 of them for spots

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Both have their limitations: Hampson often gets to the right spots but drops marks. You can tell he doesn't have an AFL background. Dodgy kick for goal.
Warnock only a tap ruckman. No influence around the ground. Lacks confidence kicking for goal. Too easily out muscled by the likes of Nic Nat etc.
Overall I think Hampson has more up-side if we pump more development into him. Over to you Mick.

How many games have they played this year? Together?

Did they have a good preparation in the preseason or interupted?

How many games have they missed from injury?

I just wanted to evaluate this to compare our guys to, by aggregating the total games played and the goal output and compare than with us. If Cox and Naic Nat missed games I'd like to know what the goal output was of the lone ranger in a team littered with talls.

Then I would want to see if our ruck combo is capable of 2 goals a game.
My hypothesis would start with the belief that a fit and in form Hammer and Kreuzer could give a goal each every game.
That's not too hard to imagine is it?

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I reckon if you changed the rules of the game and removed the ball from play entirely, Shaun Hampson would be one of the all-time greats.

That depends if Casboult, Rowe or Mitchell are in fact more mobile than Hampson.
I haven't seen enough to be sure, but I don't think the 3 mentioned are any more mobile than Hammer.
I think Hammer is faster, can jump higher, and has more upside than the other 3 in terms of mobility.

Having said that, I was quite surprised over the last 2 seasons at how wide Hammer's turning circle has become compared to his first couple of seasons when he was skinnier and lighter and seemd to be able to turn much quicker than he does now. The other 3 seem to have the same issue.

My gut feeling is that MM will select Hammer and Kreuzer as the preferred ruck combo unless Warnock really steps up over the preseason with more to offer than purely taps. I think Hammer and Kreuzer (ruck/fwd) is more likely than Kreuzer in combo with the other 3.

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Be more likely MM will go with Kreuzer and Casboult, that was his preferred way at Collingwood (Jolly and pinch hitter Brown). Hampson is a ruckman, certainly no forward where Casboult is. We looked our best when we had this combo.

Actually thought Warnock had an outstanding game in the semi-final last year one out against Cox and Nic Nat. His finals have been very good. Not worried about form this year as he was never fit.

With the game gradually drifting back to one ruck rucking nearly all of the game it opens it up for the tap ruckman again for focus on that role. Not having to go forward to take marks meaning they can focus on their main job, winning taps all day and trying to set up the mids in regards to clearances. At 206cm Warnock is well-suited to that. No chance would I get rid of that. Obviously a huge bonus if one could do well around the ground too. The only thing is Kreuzer rucks well, when fit, and plays the role of of the bullocking ruck rover getting 20-25 possessions in-between, and has shown he can do that for most of a game as a lone ruck. If Krezuer was injured though Warnock would definitely be playing as our lone ruck.

Not sure though Warnock could play though if we played 2 ruckman as he'd be required to do other things as well as he wouldn't spend as much time in the ruck.

Completely agree, we'd need more forward pressure from the midfield as we'd only be playing two small/medium forwards instead of three but I can see that happening under Malthouse anyway.

Would like to see a forward setup of

Garlett Waite Gibbs/Bell/Robinson (defensive forward)
Betts Rowe Casboult

With Walker moving into the midfield.