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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:02 am 
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JohnM wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
And now the journos bite back :lol:

Different club, but same grumpy Malthouse
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IT WAS the sort of sequence that makes sense only in reverse. Twelve days apart, in the same auditorium at Princes Park, two Carlton coaches faced the media music. One was poised and dignified and prompted a round of applause when he was done. The other, once the introductory niceties were dispensed with, was bristling and combative, and when he was done, two Carlton staffers stood impromptu guard on the corridor down which he exited.

The perversity is that the decorous one was Brett Ratten, and he was on the way out, notwithstanding that a year remained on his contract, and the grumpy bum was Mick Malthouse, and - surprise, surprise - he was on the way in, having just signed for three years.

The repeatedly surfacing friction yesterday centred on the insistence of Carlton and Malthouse that they had held no discussions before Ratten's departure, and that they had had only an ''inkling'' of interest in one another. This jars with the understanding of the wider football community about a long, if unofficial courtship.


Yeah, Jon Ralph was bitching about the presser this morning too. Unprofessional of Mick, and Mick really should've taken the opportunity to inspire Carlton supporters rather than taking potshots and answering "absolutely" about going after Cloke and disrupting Collingwood's finals campaign. He thinks Mick should've spent the presser outlining exactly what he's going to do with the gameplan and our players.

What Jon Ralph chooses to misunderstand is this:

As Gore Vidal put it "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail". As Carlton supporters, right now those others are Collingwood. Everyone who works for Carlton has two missions: firstly, to do whatever they can to help Carlton succeed. Secondly, to NEVER miss an opportunity to stick a spoke in the wheels of the old enemies.

What Mick did yesterday is heap further disruption upon Collingwood as they try to prepare for a knockout final, and I effing loved it. I'll bet most other carlton supporters did too.

And furthermore, all he really did is return serve from McGuire's earlier season comments about Malthouse coaching carlton, which were clearly designed to destabilise our club.

After nearly 3 decades, all supporters know what Malthouse brings. He's not a junior coach who has to lay down his philosophies at a press conference.

Malthouse's job yesterday was to announce his presence (I use that word deliberately) at the club, and not a lot more. That he also managed to chuck a hand grenade at the team everyone at carlton hopes will go out in straight sets was a bonus.

After 5 years of a senior coach umming and ahhing and vacillating and muddling his way through pressers, how refreshing was it to hear that one word F-You Collingwood answer to the question of "Will you go after Travis Cloke?" .... "Absolutely."

Loved every bit of it.

Screw you Ralphy. You don't speak for us.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:03 am 
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Concur JohnM
I loved the presser. Loved Mick's prickliness. Loved that journo's will have to think twice before potting the club for fear of being verballed by Mick.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:04 am 
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JohnM wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
And now the journos bite back :lol:

Different club, but same grumpy Malthouse
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IT WAS the sort of sequence that makes sense only in reverse. Twelve days apart, in the same auditorium at Princes Park, two Carlton coaches faced the media music. One was poised and dignified and prompted a round of applause when he was done. The other, once the introductory niceties were dispensed with, was bristling and combative, and when he was done, two Carlton staffers stood impromptu guard on the corridor down which he exited.

The perversity is that the decorous one was Brett Ratten, and he was on the way out, notwithstanding that a year remained on his contract, and the grumpy bum was Mick Malthouse, and - surprise, surprise - he was on the way in, having just signed for three years.

The repeatedly surfacing friction yesterday centred on the insistence of Carlton and Malthouse that they had held no discussions before Ratten's departure, and that they had had only an ''inkling'' of interest in one another. This jars with the understanding of the wider football community about a long, if unofficial courtship.


Yeah, Jon Ralph was bitching about the presser this morning too. Unprofessional of Mick, and Mick really should've taken the opportunity to inspire Carlton supporters rather than taking potshots and answering "absolutely" about going after Cloke and disrupting Collingwood's finals campaign. He thinks Mick should've spent the presser outlining exactly what he's going to do with the gameplan and our players.

What Jon Ralph chooses to misunderstand is this:

As Gore Vidal put it "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail". As Carlton supporters, right now those others are Collingwood. Everyone who works for Carlton has two missions: firstly, to do whatever they can to help Carlton succeed. Secondly, to NEVER miss an opportunity to stick a spoke in the wheels of the old enemies.

What Mick did yesterday is heap further disruption upon Collingwood as they try to prepare for a knockout final, and I effing loved it. I'll bet most other carlton supporters did too.

And furthermore, all he really did is return serve from McGuire's earlier season comments about Malthouse coaching carlton, which were clearly designed to destabilise our club.

After nearly 3 decades, all supporters know what Malthouse brings. He's not a junior coach who has to lay down his philosophies at a press conference.

Malthouse's job yesterday was to announce his presence (I use that word deliberately) at the club, and not a lot more. That he also managed to chuck a hand grenade at the team everyone at carlton hopes will go out in straight sets was a bonus.

After 5 years of a senior coach umming and ahhing and vacillating and muddling his way through pressers, how refreshing was it to hear that one word F-You Collingwood answer to the question of "Will you go after Travis Cloke?" .... "Absolutely."

Loved every bit of it.

Screw you Ralphy. You don't speak for us.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:05 am 
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JohnM wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
And now the journos bite back :lol:

Different club, but same grumpy Malthouse
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IT WAS the sort of sequence that makes sense only in reverse. Twelve days apart, in the same auditorium at Princes Park, two Carlton coaches faced the media music. One was poised and dignified and prompted a round of applause when he was done. The other, once the introductory niceties were dispensed with, was bristling and combative, and when he was done, two Carlton staffers stood impromptu guard on the corridor down which he exited.

The perversity is that the decorous one was Brett Ratten, and he was on the way out, notwithstanding that a year remained on his contract, and the grumpy bum was Mick Malthouse, and - surprise, surprise - he was on the way in, having just signed for three years.

The repeatedly surfacing friction yesterday centred on the insistence of Carlton and Malthouse that they had held no discussions before Ratten's departure, and that they had had only an ''inkling'' of interest in one another. This jars with the understanding of the wider football community about a long, if unofficial courtship.


Yeah, Jon Ralph was bitching about the presser this morning too. Unprofessional of Mick, and Mick really should've taken the opportunity to inspire Carlton supporters rather than taking potshots and answering "absolutely" about going after Cloke and disrupting Collingwood's finals campaign. He thinks Mick should've spent the presser outlining exactly what he's going to do with the gameplan and our players.

What Jon Ralph chooses to misunderstand is this:

As Gore Vidal put it "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail". As Carlton supporters, right now those others are Collingwood. Everyone who works for Carlton has two missions: firstly, to do whatever they can to help Carlton succeed. Secondly, to NEVER miss an opportunity to stick a spoke in the wheels of the old enemies.

What Mick did yesterday is heap further disruption upon Collingwood as they try to prepare for a knockout final, and I effing loved it. I'll bet most other carlton supporters did too.

And furthermore, all he really did is return serve from McGuire's earlier season comments about Malthouse coaching carlton, which were clearly designed to destabilise our club.

After nearly 3 decades, all supporters know what Malthouse brings. He's not a junior coach who has to lay down his philosophies at a press conference.

Malthouse's job yesterday was to announce his presence (I use that word deliberately) at the club, and not a lot more. That he also managed to chuck a hand grenade at the team everyone at carlton hopes will go out in straight sets was a bonus.

After 5 years of a senior coach umming and ahhing and vacillating and muddling his way through pressers, how refreshing was it to hear that one word F-You Collingwood answer to the question of "Will you go after Travis Cloke?" .... "Absolutely."

Loved every bit of it.

Screw you Ralphy. You don't speak for us.

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If you listen to Ralph carefully you will find hypocrisy from one sentence to the other....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:08 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:11 am 
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In Sandy Roberts interview on the 7 News segment he asked Mick what was his priority. Mick replied that Carltons best was very good but we didn't play at that standard often enough, so he wanted to work on being more consistently at our best. He went on to say that our worst was really bad and so he wanted to lift the bottom line so that our worst was much better and still playing reasonable footy and didn't happen as often.

Couldn't have summed up our 2012 season much better and is the most obvious area for improvement.

I have never liked Mick very much (maybe because he has always been the opposition til now)but have always had a grudging respect for him getting his sides to function well as a TEAM. I look forward to what he does with the blues. Welcome to Carlton MM.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:12 am 
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Speak of the devil :lol:
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WELCOME to the world of Mick. Again.

Yesterday's press conference to announce his arrival was typical Malthouse: one part bluster, two parts confrontation, and one part rambling diatribe.

The disappointment for the Carlton faithful was that amid all the conjecture about the timing of his arrival, he never really got to announce what he was all about. What he would stand for at Carlton - a mission statement, if you will.

The only real clarity we got from Malthouse was about his determination to lure Travis Cloke to Carlton.

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But for the sake of actually judging whether he has kept that fire in the belly - and tactical acumen - we hope at least that Carlton misses out on Cloke.

Because that would allow us a pure measure of just how exceptional a coach he still is.

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And some clarity, courtesy of Sam Edmund, about what we can expect with Mick on board.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:45 am 
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JohnM wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
And now the journos bite back :lol:

Different club, but same grumpy Malthouse
Quote:
IT WAS the sort of sequence that makes sense only in reverse. Twelve days apart, in the same auditorium at Princes Park, two Carlton coaches faced the media music. One was poised and dignified and prompted a round of applause when he was done. The other, once the introductory niceties were dispensed with, was bristling and combative, and when he was done, two Carlton staffers stood impromptu guard on the corridor down which he exited.

The perversity is that the decorous one was Brett Ratten, and he was on the way out, notwithstanding that a year remained on his contract, and the grumpy bum was Mick Malthouse, and - surprise, surprise - he was on the way in, having just signed for three years.

The repeatedly surfacing friction yesterday centred on the insistence of Carlton and Malthouse that they had held no discussions before Ratten's departure, and that they had had only an ''inkling'' of interest in one another. This jars with the understanding of the wider football community about a long, if unofficial courtship.


Yeah, Jon Ralph was bitching about the presser this morning too. Unprofessional of Mick, and Mick really should've taken the opportunity to inspire Carlton supporters rather than taking potshots and answering "absolutely" about going after Cloke and disrupting Collingwood's finals campaign. He thinks Mick should've spent the presser outlining exactly what he's going to do with the gameplan and our players.

What Jon Ralph chooses to misunderstand is this:

As Gore Vidal put it "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail". As Carlton supporters, right now those others are Collingwood. Everyone who works for Carlton has two missions: firstly, to do whatever they can to help Carlton succeed. Secondly, to NEVER miss an opportunity to stick a spoke in the wheels of the old enemies.

What Mick did yesterday is heap further disruption upon Collingwood as they try to prepare for a knockout final, and I effing loved it. I'll bet most other carlton supporters did too.

And furthermore, all he really did is return serve from McGuire's earlier season comments about Malthouse coaching carlton, which were clearly designed to destabilise our club.

After nearly 3 decades, all supporters know what Malthouse brings. He's not a junior coach who has to lay down his philosophies at a press conference.

Malthouse's job yesterday was to announce his presence (I use that word deliberately) at the club, and not a lot more. That he also managed to chuck a hand grenade at the team everyone at carlton hopes will go out in straight sets was a bonus.

After 5 years of a senior coach umming and ahhing and vacillating and muddling his way through pressers, how refreshing was it to hear that one word F-You Collingwood answer to the question of "Will you go after Travis Cloke?" .... "Absolutely."

Loved every bit of it.

Screw you Ralphy. You don't speak for us.

QF-MF-T. Exactly my sentiments. Most of the journos don't get it (or pretend not to). As I posted yesterday, love him or not, Mick drew a line of demarcation between the past and the future. He announced his presence and really announced the MM era, and I reckon the journos just don't like it. Well, in the famous words of one of our esteemed moderators - they can GAGF!!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:48 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:53 am 
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What I respected about Collingwood the last five years is that when the other team is on top, they more often than not, knuckle down and stifle the game to reduce the damage. Then exploit any opportunities that occur. Travis cloke is an important part of that because you need someone that can reliably take a contested mark within 75m of goal when the ball is otherwise swept the other way.
I am sick of being overrun and bleeding goals when the other team is on a roll. If they are too good, so be it.

I just hope the players buy in. Mick is different from Pagan though in that he engages the players and moves forward with them. Pagan was trying to drag the team to where he was. MM is better at man management

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:56 am 
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That poster for membership is fantastic. Hopefully we can get a really good player to come to Carlton ie Josh Caddy......


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:10 am 
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stubba wrote:
camelboy wrote:

Where do I sign?


The last few years I have been a bit tardy renewing .... not 2013 :lol: :lol: :lol:

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/what-is-in-store-now-that-mick-malthouse-has-taken-the-reins-at-carlton/story-fnelctok-1226472156410


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that membership picture is proof that everyone looks better in navy blue!

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That membership pic is already on the desktop.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:46 am 
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Blue Revival wrote:
that membership picture is proof that everyone looks better in navy blue!

now in glorious A3 navy blue stuck on my office window :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Picture of Malthouse & Cloke in Carlton gear with the slogan. WE ARE CARLTON. Are you?

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Piss off Ralphy you're pathetic.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:11 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
And now the journos bite back :lol:

Different club, but same grumpy Malthouse
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IT WAS the sort of sequence that makes sense only in reverse. Twelve days apart, in the same auditorium at Princes Park, two Carlton coaches faced the media music. One was poised and dignified and prompted a round of applause when he was done. The other, once the introductory niceties were dispensed with, was bristling and combative, and when he was done, two Carlton staffers stood impromptu guard on the corridor down which he exited.

The perversity is that the decorous one was Brett Ratten, and he was on the way out, notwithstanding that a year remained on his contract, and the grumpy bum was Mick Malthouse, and - surprise, surprise - he was on the way in, having just signed for three years.

The repeatedly surfacing friction yesterday centred on the insistence of Carlton and Malthouse that they had held no discussions before Ratten's departure, and that they had had only an ''inkling'' of interest in one another. This jars with the understanding of the wider football community about a long, if unofficial courtship.

Why the friggin' hell does the timing and nature of approaches to MM even matter. OK, we can have a winge about Sticks saying one thing and then doing something else, eg "not until the end of season ..."

but honestly, the media hacks are just showing themselves up for what they are and that is a pack of idiots who try to invent stories that they think we should be interested in and therefore buy the media on/in which they are published

Robbo's column this morning is another example, he just seems to be trying to salvage something after being monstered by MM yesterday.

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