Mick Malthouse nearest the pin

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2862

Freddy47 wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Nominate your tip for the official press conference to announce whoever our new coach will be Mick Malthouse...

Tuesday 11 September* at 9:30am

*That'll be 10 years to the day (IIRC) since we signed Pagan and marks my own 10th anniversary of TBV/TC posting. :hitcomputer:

Rigged!!!! :wink:

Who'd have thought the footy club would be such romantics (for Camelboy, not Pagan!).

Blueboy74 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:06 pm

Camel was 1/2 an hour out, but will use the excuse that he was still working on Adelaide time. :wink:

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:08 pm

Haha, I went with 9:30 because that was the time of the Ratten announcement. Tuesday was just gut feel.

verbs · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:10 pm

Camel for Prez.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:49 pm

thats 3 disasters that will have happened on 9/11 that I can think of now

Blueboy74 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:51 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

thats 3 disasters that will have happened on 9/11 that I can think of now

Bit harsh on Camel. I enjoy his contributions.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2862

Sydney Blue wrote:

thats 3 disasters that will have happened on 9/11 that I can think of now

Sydney, you've been strong in your opinion on the coaching situation, as have many of us. I'm curious though, is there anything that could happen next year that would make you change your view and think that it was a good move to appoint Malthouse instead of Ratten?

For me, the things I am looking for are a hard, contested game plan, better onfield leadership, significant improvement in players like Gibbs, Kreuzer, Yarran and obviously the kids, and the beginnings of cultural shift in the club (much harder to measure and not only the sole responsibility of the coach).

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:03 pm

Siegfried wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

thats 3 disasters that will have happened on 9/11 that I can think of now

Sydney, you've been strong in your opinion on the coaching situation, as have many of us. I'm curious though, is there anything that could happen next year that would make you change your view and think that it was a good move to appoint Malthouse instead of Ratten?

For me, the things I am looking for are a hard, contested game plan, better onfield leadership, significant improvement in players like Gibbs, Kreuzer, Yarran and obviously the kids, and the beginnings of cultural shift in the club (much harder to measure and not only the sole responsibility of the coach).

I reckon a flag would help... :lol:

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:19 pm

Siegfried wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

thats 3 disasters that will have happened on 9/11 that I can think of now

Sydney, you've been strong in your opinion on the coaching situation, as have many of us. I'm curious though, is there anything that could happen next year that would make you change your view and think that it was a good move to appoint Malthouse instead of Ratten?

For me, the things I am looking for are a hard, contested game plan, better onfield leadership, significant improvement in players like Gibbs, Kreuzer, Yarran and obviously the kids, and the beginnings of cultural shift in the club (much harder to measure and not only the sole responsibility of the coach).

Carlton will improve next year by the mere fact that players will be available to play - If Mick is dealt the same injury list that Ratten was given we will miss the finals again . Everyone is singing the praises of Lyon and the most likely will beat Adelaide this week but won't go any further. Freo were tracking for finals last year and Harvey was dealt the same hand as Ratten as far as injuries go and Freo were going to improve regardless of Lyon

He needs to bring in a toughness that appeared to be developing last year but went missing this year - Players need to have a never say die attitude because at the moment as soon as it gets tough they curl up in the corner and cry. Far to often it is left to Judd to lift them up and blokes like Murph and Gibbs ride on his coat tails . Carlton player accept losing like they are a bottom of the table team .

Mick appears to be a fairly confronting type of bloke and judging by how are blokes take pressure the moment Mick barrels them up they will go to water. There will be no sitting in a circle discussing lifes issues with Mick. This will drive a wedge through the playing group and send the club backwards for another 5 to 10 years
And if he hopes that this around the boundary precise kicking game he employed at the pies is going to work at Carlton he is dreaming because unless in the off season the AFL introduces nets around the ground and abandons the OBOF rule this will not work with the ball butcherers we currently have

The experiment will end in tears again

Stamos · **Joined:** Mon May 31, 2010 10:07 pm **Posts:** 1984

Sydney Blue wrote:

Everyone is singing the praises of Lyon and the most likely will beat Adelaide this week but won't go any further. Freo were tracking for finals last year and Harvey was dealt the same hand as Ratten as far as injuries go and Freo were going to improve regardless of Lyon

To be fair, Harvey's appalling injury management was at least partly responsible for their issues, and was a big reason for his sacking.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2862

Sydney Blue wrote:

He needs to bring in a toughness that appeared to be developing last year but went missing this year - Players need to have a never say die attitude because at the moment as soon as it gets tough they curl up in the corner and cry. Far to often it is left to Judd to lift them up and blokes like Murph and Gibbs ride on his coat tails . Carlton player accept losing like they are a bottom of the table team.

I agree with that, we need it and don't have it. But the rest of your post didn't really answer my question. I'm curious to know what could happen (if anything) that would make you change your mind and think that the appointment of Malthouse took us to a level that we couldn't have reached without him.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:04 pm

Siegfried wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

He needs to bring in a toughness that appeared to be developing last year but went missing this year - Players need to have a never say die attitude because at the moment as soon as it gets tough they curl up in the corner and cry. Far to often it is left to Judd to lift them up and blokes like Murph and Gibbs ride on his coat tails . Carlton player accept losing like they are a bottom of the table team.

I agree with that, we need it and don't have it. But the rest of your post didn't really answer my question. I'm curious to know what could happen (if anything) that would make you change your mind and think that the appointment of Malthouse took us to a level that we couldn't have reached without him.

That's simple

Beat teams like the crows , hawks and saints swans that play hard football
Win blocks of games 4 or 5 in a row
Don't lose stupid games to Port and GC
revamp the forward line so we are not relying on Betts and Garlett to kick a winning score

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:07 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

He needs to bring in a toughness that appeared to be developing last year but went missing this year - Players need to have a never say die attitude because at the moment as soon as it gets tough they curl up in the corner and cry. Far to often it is left to Judd to lift them up and blokes like Murph and Gibbs ride on his coat tails . Carlton player accept losing like they are a bottom of the table team.

I agree with that, we need it and don't have it. But the rest of your post didn't really answer my question. I'm curious to know what could happen (if anything) that would make you change your mind and think that the appointment of Malthouse took us to a level that we couldn't have reached without him.

That's simple

Beat teams like the crows , hawks and saints swans that play hard football
Win blocks of games 4 or 5 in a row
Don't lose stupid games to Port and GC
revamp the forward line so we are not relying on Betts and Garlett to kick a winning score

I could live with all that.

And a flag... :lol:

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2862

Sydney Blue wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

He needs to bring in a toughness that appeared to be developing last year but went missing this year - Players need to have a never say die attitude because at the moment as soon as it gets tough they curl up in the corner and cry. Far to often it is left to Judd to lift them up and blokes like Murph and Gibbs ride on his coat tails . Carlton player accept losing like they are a bottom of the table team.

I agree with that, we need it and don't have it. But the rest of your post didn't really answer my question. I'm curious to know what could happen (if anything) that would make you change your mind and think that the appointment of Malthouse took us to a level that we couldn't have reached without him.

That's simple

Beat teams like the crows , hawks and saints swans that play hard football
Win blocks of games 4 or 5 in a row
Don't lose stupid games to Port and GC
revamp the forward line so we are not relying on Betts and Garlett to kick a winning score

Sounds good to me :thumbsup:

BlueDW · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:37 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

thats 3 disasters that will have happened on 9/11 that I can think of now

Sydney, you've been strong in your opinion on the coaching situation, as have many of us. I'm curious though, is there anything that could happen next year that would make you change your view and think that it was a good move to appoint Malthouse instead of Ratten?

For me, the things I am looking for are a hard, contested game plan, better onfield leadership, significant improvement in players like Gibbs, Kreuzer, Yarran and obviously the kids, and the beginnings of cultural shift in the club (much harder to measure and not only the sole responsibility of the coach).

Carlton will improve next year by the mere fact that players will be available to play - If Mick is dealt the same injury list that Ratten was given we will miss the finals again . Everyone is singing the praises of Lyon and the most likely will beat Adelaide this week but won't go any further. Freo were tracking for finals last year and Harvey was dealt the same hand as Ratten as far as injuries go and Freo were going to improve regardless of Lyon

He needs to bring in a toughness that appeared to be developing last year but went missing this year - Players need to have a never say die attitude because at the moment as soon as it gets tough they curl up in the corner and cry. Far to often it is left to Judd to lift them up and blokes like Murph and Gibbs ride on his coat tails . Carlton player accept losing like they are a bottom of the table team .

Mick appears to be a fairly confronting type of bloke and judging by how are blokes take pressure the moment Mick barrels them up they will go to water. There will be no sitting in a circle discussing lifes issues with Mick. This will drive a wedge through the playing group and send the club backwards for another 5 to 10 years
And if he hopes that this around the boundary precise kicking game he employed at the pies is going to work at Carlton he is dreaming because unless in the off season the AFL introduces nets around the ground and abandons the OBOF rule this will not work with the ball butcherers we currently have

The experiment will end in tears again

Experiment? Seriously, hiring Ratten was an experiment, hiring MM as a coach certainly is not. Look, like him or hate him, he has a record of having his players playing for him, and extracting the best out of his group. If that happens over the next 3 years, and we get some luck along the way, well to me the talent is there for us to contend.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:55 pm

We will see BlueDW - I am not at all convinced he will get the job done

BlueDW · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:12 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

We will see BlueDW - I am not at all convinced he will get the job done

Thats not what I am saying, its not an experiment to hire a coach with a proven track record, just the same as its not an experiment to hire a proven CEO, or GM. Proven performers are "head hunted" in all walks of life.

Now hiring MM might not be the panacea, and might not lead us to where we all want to go. But I do think it would be a risk, given where the perception is of where our list is at, to hire an unproven coach, that to me would be an "experiment". I have everything crossed, that it all turns out ok in the end, and he can at least get us to a place where we are a genuine contender.

CK95 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:43 pm

For a mill a year he has to at least get us a flag.

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

CK95 wrote:

For a mill a year he has to at least get us a flag.

You dont get much of a million in the AFL any more. King Andrew would not call you from his mid season holidays for that.

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