The All NEW Paul Roos Thread

mots · **Joined:** Tue May 11, 2010 9:46 pm **Posts:** 832

I like that analogy Cimm.

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

I rate Roos based on how little I rate Longmire as a coach. Reckon his legacy in gifting him such a great list and off-field team to work with, is just as good as what he did to turn around their club's culture when he was in the top job.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:15 pm

Im kinda thankful now for GWS and for Kevin Sheedy not being available.

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2432

Don't even go there Brad!!!

Rocco Iguana · **Joined:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1362

prefer a Raul Poos thread

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:55 pm

I'd love to have Paul Roos coach Carlton.

Amazing player and coach. No way he'd be washed up.
Brilliant people manager and general good guy.
I remember training at the Junction Oval when he was there, just like yesterday.
He was cool, calm, and believe it or not, a bit of fun too.
He'd be great for the young squad we have.
He's a blend of new age with the ability to turn on the disciplinary stuff without raising his voice nor a sweat.

Aint gunna happen.

Sedat · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:35 pm

As an outsider looking in, I'm just staggered that Rocket hasn't even been mentioned. I know the MM thing is a done deal but if it was a level playing field, Rocket would and should be right in the mix. What he performed at the kennel with the threadbare resources at his disposal was amazing - he is a brilliant match-day coach and a great motivator of men. He also get the maximum ounce out of his troops and is a great developer of talent - guys like Cross, Boyd, Gilbee, Hahn, Hargrave, Lake, Gia etc.. were all borderline scrapheap material at the end of 2004, and Rocket turned them into the core of the next generation Dogs line-up. He lost about 1,300 games experience with the departures/retiremens of N Brown, West, Grant, Smith, Darcy and yet made finals in 4 years out of 5 (including 3 prelims in a row). Unbelievably underrated because he couldn't quite snag a premiership. I'm still shattered he was given the 'lemonade & sars' by us - hasn't that all worked out well so far :roll:

And it would piss McGuire off (although not as much as MM)

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:52 pm

Sedat wrote:

As an outsider looking in, I'm just staggered that Rocket hasn't even been mentioned. I know the MM thing is a done deal but if it was a level playing field, Rocket would and should be right in the mix. What he performed at the kennel with the threadbare resources at his disposal was amazing - he is a brilliant match-day coach and a great motivator of men. He also get the maximum ounce out of his troops and is a great developer of talent - guys like Cross, Boyd, Gilbee, Hahn, Hargrave, Lake, Gia etc.. were all borderline scrapheap material at the end of 2004, and Rocket turned them into the core of the next generation Dogs line-up. He lost about 1,300 games experience with the departures/retiremens of N Brown, West, Grant, Smith, Darcy and yet made finals in 4 years out of 5 (including 3 prelims in a row). Unbelievably underrated because he couldn't quite snag a premiership. I'm still shattered he was given the 'lemonade & sars' by us - hasn't that all worked out well so far :roll:

And it would piss McGuire off (although not as much as MM)

I'm not writing off Eade. He's a senior coach with ample experience. He's the only other one not coaching that I know of (other than Ratts and MM)....Primus has coached less than 5 years.

I'm not counting on MM whilst his wife and daughters are crying...if that's true he aint coming, if bullshit, he's coming imo.

I like Eade....a lot. I too was shocked with the Dogs decision to cut ties with Eade...I have a soft spot for Doggies bc of growing up with Teddy living next door.

I like the idea of Hinkley, but Blight (experienced) would have to come with him if experience is a prerequisite. Don't think Blighty would leave sunny QLD.

Eade

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:58 pm

Sedat wrote:

As an outsider looking in, I'm just staggered that Rocket hasn't even been mentioned. I know the MM thing is a done deal but if it was a level playing field, Rocket would and should be right in the mix. What he performed at the kennel with the threadbare resources at his disposal was amazing - he is a brilliant match-day coach and a great motivator of men. He also get the maximum ounce out of his troops and is a great developer of talent - guys like Cross, Boyd, Gilbee, Hahn, Hargrave, Lake, Gia etc.. were all borderline scrapheap material at the end of 2004, and Rocket turned them into the core of the next generation Dogs line-up. He lost about 1,300 games experience with the departures/retiremens of N Brown, West, Grant, Smith, Darcy and yet made finals in 4 years out of 5 (including 3 prelims in a row). Unbelievably underrated because he couldn't quite snag a premiership. I'm still shattered he was given the 'lemonade & sars' by us - hasn't that all worked out well so far :roll:

And it would piss McGuire off (although not as much as MM)

Quite possibly Sedat.

But I think at this point maybe it's about flags and memberships and a guy who's won a few is easier to sell.

Also, Rocket may not quite meet the "our arses are covered if it doesn't work out" criteria the board may have an eye for.

If Mick or a Roos fail, their appointment is easier to justify.

Sedat · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:08 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

But I think at this point maybe it's about flags and memberships and a guy who's won a few is easier to sell.

Agree with this but the WA State team that Tricky Micky inherited in 1990 wasn't the world's hardest gig. Neither was it to move over to the richest, best resourced club in the code.

Likes a cushy gig does MM.

GWS · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:14 pm

Sedat wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

But I think at this point maybe it's about flags and memberships and a guy who's won a few is easier to sell.

Agree with this but the WA State team that Tricky Micky inherited in 1990 wasn't the world's hardest gig. Neither was it to move over to the richest, best resourced club in the code.

Likes a cushy gig does MM.

I'm sure we'll find ways to piss him off then... :lol:

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:17 pm

Sedat wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

But I think at this point maybe it's about flags and memberships and a guy who's won a few is easier to sell.

Agree with this but the WA State team that Tricky Micky inherited in 1990 wasn't the world's hardest gig. Neither was it to move over to the richest, best resourced club in the code.

Likes a cushy gig does MM.

Preaching to the choir Sedat.

But I do give him credit for those GF appearances a decade ago. That was a fair effort with those sides.

His performance in last years GF was another matter.

But he get's there. It's not likely he'll be with us for more than 3-5 years due to his age and the natives are restless, he's the obvious choice.

The biggest risk is if he recruits and trades solely for himself and not the future.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2862

Sedat wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

But I think at this point maybe it's about flags and memberships and a guy who's won a few is easier to sell.

Agree with this but the WA State team that Tricky Micky inherited in 1990 wasn't the world's hardest gig. Neither was it to move over to the richest, best resourced club in the code.

Likes a cushy gig does MM.

People keep saying that. When Malthouse went to Collingwood, they'd just won a wooden spoon and were millions in debt.

club29 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:29 pm

Sedat wrote:

As an outsider looking in, I'm just staggered that Rocket hasn't even been mentioned. I know the MM thing is a done deal but if it was a level playing field, Rocket would and should be right in the mix. What he performed at the kennel with the threadbare resources at his disposal was amazing - he is a brilliant match-day coach and a great motivator of men. He also get the maximum ounce out of his troops and is a great developer of talent - guys like Cross, Boyd, Gilbee, Hahn, Hargrave, Lake, Gia etc.. were all borderline scrapheap material at the end of 2004, and Rocket turned them into the core of the next generation Dogs line-up. He lost about 1,300 games experience with the departures/retiremens of N Brown, West, Grant, Smith, Darcy and yet made finals in 4 years out of 5 (including 3 prelims in a row). Unbelievably underrated because he couldn't quite snag a premiership. I'm still shattered he was given the 'lemonade & sars' by us - hasn't that all worked out well so far :roll:

And it would piss McGuire off (although not as much as MM)

Yep. Rocket would suit me. He may be tied up with the pies for a couple more weeks though.

Would have more energy that Malthouse. More to prove and a tough man.
I reckon he is due for some success too.

I hope we have at least spoken to his people.

If the Malthouse deal is done like some are saying i will be gutted.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:19 pm

Two things
He has never managed to win a flag
And
He likes complete control of everything

The last thing this team needs is a control freak they would go to pieces its a big club with big personalties around all chucking in their 2 cents worth
It wouldnt work with Eade

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Siegfried wrote:

Sedat wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

But I think at this point maybe it's about flags and memberships and a guy who's won a few is easier to sell.

Agree with this but the WA State team that Tricky Micky inherited in 1990 wasn't the world's hardest gig. Neither was it to move over to the richest, best resourced club in the code.

Likes a cushy gig does MM.

People keep saying that. When Malthouse went to Collingwood, they'd just won a wooden spoon and were millions in debt.

Yep. Some people just make up things to suit their arguments. The list was extremely poor.

He also oversaw the rebuilding of the whole football department. Thats what's exciting.

Sedat · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:04 pm

Siegfried wrote:

People keep saying that. When Malthouse went to Collingwood, they'd just won a wooden spoon and were millions in debt.

The recovery had already well and truly started under McGuire. MM drove the WC list into the ground in the late 90's and then walked out on them while still under contract. He similarly took off when things got tough at Footscray. He wants it all on a platter, and he'll probably get it again. Good coach but tremendously overrated - as overrated as Eade is underrated.

"But Rocket has never won a flag" is the cry of the great unwashed. He achieved great things with what he had at his disposal at both Sydney and the Dogs. It's all academic anyway because MM has been given the silver platter service once again.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10513

Sedat wrote:

As an outsider looking in, I'm just staggered that Rocket hasn't even been mentioned. I know the MM thing is a done deal but if it was a level playing field, Rocket would and should be right in the mix. What he performed at the kennel with the threadbare resources at his disposal was amazing - he is a brilliant match-day coach and a great motivator of men. He also get the maximum ounce out of his troops and is a great developer of talent - guys like Cross, Boyd, Gilbee, Hahn, Hargrave, Lake, Gia etc.. were all borderline scrapheap material at the end of 2004, and Rocket turned them into the core of the next generation Dogs line-up. He lost about 1,300 games experience with the departures/retiremens of N Brown, West, Grant, Smith, Darcy and yet made finals in 4 years out of 5 (including 3 prelims in a row). Unbelievably underrated because he couldn't quite snag a premiership. I'm still shattered he was given the 'lemonade & sars' by us - hasn't that all worked out well so far :roll:

And it would piss McGuire off (although not as much as MM)

Unfortunately it won't be. Swann is a f&&&wit.

GWS · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:10 pm

Sedat wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

People keep saying that. When Malthouse went to Collingwood, they'd just won a wooden spoon and were millions in debt.

The recovery had already well and truly started under McGuire. MM drove the WC list into the ground in the late 90's and then walked out on them while still under contract. He similarly took off when things got tough at Footscray. He wants it all on a platter, and he'll probably get it again. Good coach but tremendously overrated - as overrated as Eade is underrated.

"But Rocket has never won a flag" is the cry of the great unwashed. He achieved great things with what he had at his disposal at both Sydney and the Dogs. It's all academic anyway because MM has been given the silver platter service once again.

I reckon that's harsh Sedat. I remember Leigh Matthews once saying that the key to winning a premiership was to time your acceptance of the coaching job (or something along those lines).

I reckon Eade's a beauty and I'd love to have him but it's worth acknowledging that the nouse that Malthouse has shown in timing his moves is something Eade has missed on.

And I don't reckon there's a former AFL coach out there who'd accept the idea that you could be a triple premiership coach and be "overrated".

An AFL premiership is a hard thing to win.

To win two suggests more than a bit of luck.

To win three tells me there's not a lot of luck involved.

I'm happy to debate whether Mick's still capable but to dismiss three premierships as a coach is misguided.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:16 pm

Eade?

I wanted him when we got Pagan. :lol:

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