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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:57 pm 
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I'm sure this won't go down well with some but...

Make no mistake, Ratten conducted himself yesterday the way he did to increase his currency and probability of scoring another coaching gig. If he had done otherwise he would have shot himself in the foot. This happens all the time in corporate life and is the smart way to exit as you leave with dignity and respect in tact. Think about it, if Ratts had teed off on the club or Sticks or Swann what would other clubs think? Do you think they would want him?

Unfortunately Ratts just doesn't have 'it' to be a successful senior coach... by that I mean deliver flags. Our record against Top4 teams, inability to string more than 3 wins and losing to Pt Adelaide and the Gold Coast are testament to this. I put him in the same class as say, a Peter Rohde as a head coach.

The big question now is does Malthouse still have 'it'?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:15 pm 
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What extra benefits does Fisher get as a 100 game player that he doesn't get for reaching 99 games?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:18 pm 
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What extra benefits does Fisher get as a 100 game player that he doesn't get for reaching 99 games?

Name on the locker, and we have first crack at drafting his son (if he has one, and if he's any good as a footballer).

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
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What extra benefits does Fisher get as a 100 game player that he doesn't get for reaching 99 games?

Name on the locker, and we have first crack at drafting his son (if he has one, and if he's any good as a footballer).

should have got to 100 for this reason alone

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:54 pm 
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Blue Revival wrote:
Lurker Blue wrote:
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What extra benefits does Fisher get as a 100 game player that he doesn't get for reaching 99 games?

Name on the locker, and we have first crack at drafting his son (if he has one, and if he's any good as a footballer).

should have got to 100 for this reason alone


Sheedy did it with Dean Rioli, for that purpose. It's smart management really. And makes more sense to do this than nurse a guy to 200 games in many ways. Ah well.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:00 pm 
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I agree with you.

Throughout at least the last three seasons, I've sensed that, despite measureable on-field improvement, the club, for whatever reason, never truly believed in Ratten. I think Niall's P-Plate analogy is an apt one. The trouble for the club was that year-on-year improvement meant that actually sacking Ratten was a decidely awkward proposition. But the fact that we will miss the finals in 2012 (despite obvious extenuating circumstances) meant that the club could paint 2012 as a failure and finally provided the club with a basis (however misguided) upon which it could justify a decision to remove Ratten.

I'm on record as saying that I believe that Ratten deserved the opportunity to coach in 2013 and I still believe that he deserved that opportunity. Although I'm not surprised by it, I think his sacking is incredibly harsh in the circumstances, but it's happened now and we need to move forward. One thing is for sure though, now that Ratten is gone, the reaction on talkback radio and from certain posters on this site will be interesting when we lose a few games next season...


Who is your preferred coach next year Blues2005?


Probably Mark Williams, Effes. I think he did very well at Port Adelaide for a long time, is regarded as a great teacher of the game and clearly still wants to coach but might not get the chance (at least officially) to do that at GWS. He also wouldn't take any nonsense from our flaky players.

Who is your preferred coach, Effes?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:05 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
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Blues2005 wrote:
I agree with you.

Throughout at least the last three seasons, I've sensed that, despite measureable on-field improvement, the club, for whatever reason, never truly believed in Ratten. I think Niall's P-Plate analogy is an apt one. The trouble for the club was that year-on-year improvement meant that actually sacking Ratten was a decidely awkward proposition. But the fact that we will miss the finals in 2012 (despite obvious extenuating circumstances) meant that the club could paint 2012 as a failure and finally provided the club with a basis (however misguided) upon which it could justify a decision to remove Ratten.

I'm on record as saying that I believe that Ratten deserved the opportunity to coach in 2013 and I still believe that he deserved that opportunity. Although I'm not surprised by it, I think his sacking is incredibly harsh in the circumstances, but it's happened now and we need to move forward. One thing is for sure though, now that Ratten is gone, the reaction on talkback radio and from certain posters on this site will be interesting when we lose a few games next season...


Who is your preferred coach next year Blues2005?


Probably Mark Williams, Effes. I think he did very well at Port Adelaide for a long time, is regarded as a great teacher of the game and clearly still wants to coach but might not get the chance (at least officially) to do that at GWS. He also wouldn't take any nonsense from our flaky players.

Who is your preferred coach, Effes?


I'd prefer Williams over MM but I'd prefer the proper process first. I wish we had someone like Jason Dunstall on board as a consultant to help identify the best candidate...unfortunately he's tied up at Hawthorn. He seems to have a good knowledge of board matters and football matters.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:17 pm 
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FINALLY, one of the players takes some responsibility
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CARLTON veteran Heath Scotland has spoken of the anguish felt by Blues players in the wake of Brett Ratten's sacking on Thursday.

Ratten was informed on Wednesday that he would not be coaching Carlton next year, just four days after the club's finals hopes were dashed by the shock loss to Gold Coast.

Scotland was among the players to witness Thursday's emotion-charged press conference at Visy Park, where the news was made official, and he admitted there was a sense of responsibility among his teammates.

"It's disappointing for everybody. I believe we're a good side that had a chance to be playing finals, but we've thrown away [that] opportunity and a man's lost his job because of it," Scotland said.

"We haven't sat down and had a formal chat about it, but you speak amongst each other and everyone's feeling like crap.

"It's a horrible situation.

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"I knew as soon as that siren sounded that we'd blown our season, we'd put the coach under pressure, and it was a really, really horrible feeling," he said.

"It was just disastrous.

"I couldn't have felt any worse post-game and I wasn't the only one - we were all feeling horrible.

"The simple fact is a man has lost his job because of our actions on the field. To carry something like that is horrible. It's not just him, it affects his family as well, so it's not a nice thing to carry around.

Good on Scotto for manning up. About bloody time someone did.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:29 pm 
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The Footy Show with Marc Murphy - Brett Rattens End
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League Teams - Brett Rattens sacking
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AFL 360 - Brett Rattens sacking
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:31 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
FINALLY, one of the players takes some responsibility
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CARLTON veteran Heath Scotland has spoken of the anguish felt by Blues players in the wake of Brett Ratten's sacking on Thursday.

Ratten was informed on Wednesday that he would not be coaching Carlton next year, just four days after the club's finals hopes were dashed by the shock loss to Gold Coast.

Scotland was among the players to witness Thursday's emotion-charged press conference at Visy Park, where the news was made official, and he admitted there was a sense of responsibility among his teammates.

"It's disappointing for everybody. I believe we're a good side that had a chance to be playing finals, but we've thrown away [that] opportunity and a man's lost his job because of it," Scotland said.

"We haven't sat down and had a formal chat about it, but you speak amongst each other and everyone's feeling like crap.

"It's a horrible situation.

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"I knew as soon as that siren sounded that we'd blown our season, we'd put the coach under pressure, and it was a really, really horrible feeling," he said.

"It was just disastrous.

"I couldn't have felt any worse post-game and I wasn't the only one - we were all feeling horrible.

"The simple fact is a man has lost his job because of our actions on the field. To carry something like that is horrible. It's not just him, it affects his family as well, so it's not a nice thing to carry around.

Good on Scotto for manning up. About bloody time someone did.

yep. thought Murph was poor last night on TFS. couldn't tell if he was embarrassed, or piss weak

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:51 pm 
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EARN


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Fisher did - and then some. He certainly wasnt the worst performed player in his 99th game and should have been retained for game 100.

As much as I've supported Ratten and his tenure at the club, fisher being dropped after game 99 is the one decision that I would really disagreed with during his time as coach.

We were going into a finals series, you don't @#$%&! around at that stage of the season just to give someone number 100. Every game must be earned not given away if you want to retain some sort of relevance to wearing the navy blue.
I don't care that Rioli got nursed to 100, I thought it was pathetic at the time and still do.
Some here care more about this then I am sure Fisher does, he is probably thankful that he wasn't delisted sooner and was able to get to 99

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:13 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
kingkerna wrote:

EARN


EVERY


GAME!!!


Fisher did - and then some. He certainly wasnt the worst performed player in his 99th game and should have been retained for game 100.

As much as I've supported Ratten and his tenure at the club, fisher being dropped after game 99 is the one decision that I would really disagreed with during his time as coach.

We were going into a finals series, you don't !@#$%& around at that stage of the season just to give someone number 100. Every game must be earned not given away if you want to retain some sort of relevance to wearing the navy blue.
I don't care that Rioli got nursed to 100, I thought it was pathetic at the time and still do.
Some here care more about this then I am sure Fisher does, he is probably thankful that he wasn't delisted sooner and was able to get to 99


No. he was extremely disappointed and rightly so.
It was poor management. Fish was an enormously well respected and liked player amongst the group and the message sent by his treatment wasnt a good one for the club.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Easy decision to allow Fisher achieve the 100 game milestone and name on the locker.....long before the finals.

Dogs act....dunno who....but dogs act not to get him there.

The guy put in at the club when it hit rock bottom for what...6-7 years, and shitloads of hits and injuries.
It's not a charity, but it wasn't that hard to do.
Fish deserved more respect than that.

What goes around comes around...I'm suspecting that Ratts made the decision to miss the milestone.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:34 pm 
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I am one who felt that Ratten was not up to being a senior coach but i cant help but feel sick in the stomach about what has just happened. Seeing him in the press conference made me feel proud. He handled himself so well. I am sure he will get a job as an assistant at another club, something he will be good at. I have a horrible feeling that this will all come back to bite the club in the years to come.
Hopefully alot of supporters will get along on Sunday to see him off and show him some appreciation.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:17 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
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I find it strange that a lot of the people sympathising for Ratten had none for Brad Fisher who got the lemonade and sarse stranded on 99 games............Carlton is ruthless ? that wasnt ruthless.It was cruel ,callous and heartless............whoever was responsable for that dog act gets no sympathy from me.

jesus christ, get over it :roll:

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I dont know how many magoo's games you watched Kerna,but i have watched plenty.Fisher was playing good footy whilst guys in the one's were hacking.So,in my eyes he more than earnt his spot in the one's...................Brad Fisher was a shining light for us whilst we were crap.You dont treat a loyal servant like that.That sends a poor message to not just players,but staff and everyone involved in the club.As i said,its not ruthless,its cruel,callous,and heartless.Thats not a message to spell out to anyone.So Kerna,i suggest you stop shedding the crocodile tears for Ratts and you need to get over it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:14 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
I dont know how many magoo's games you watched Kerna,but i have watched plenty.Fisher was playing good footy whilst guys in the one's were hacking.So,in my eyes he more than earnt his spot in the one's...................Brad Fisher was a shining light for us whilst we were crap.You dont treat a loyal servant like that.That sends a poor message to not just players,but staff and everyone involved in the club.As i said,its not ruthless,its cruel,callous,and heartless.Thats not a message to spell out to anyone.So Kerna,i suggest you stop shedding the crocodile tears for Ratts and you need to get over it.


T-bird has been doing well in the 2s recently, but the same as Fisher, does not apply enough forwardline pressure in the 1s.

I liked Fish, and would have liked to see him play 100, but to still but cut up about it now (unless you are a relative) and to hold a grudge against Ratts for it is bloody ridiculous.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:18 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
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I dont know how many magoo's games you watched Kerna,but i have watched plenty.Fisher was playing good footy whilst guys in the one's were hacking.So,in my eyes he more than earnt his spot in the one's...................Brad Fisher was a shining light for us whilst we were crap.You dont treat a loyal servant like that.That sends a poor message to not just players,but staff and everyone involved in the club.As i said,its not ruthless,its cruel,callous,and heartless.Thats not a message to spell out to anyone.So Kerna,i suggest you stop shedding the crocodile tears for Ratts and you need to get over it.


T-bird has been doing well in the 2s recently, but the same as Fisher, does not apply enough forwardline pressure in the 1s.


Irrelevant.Another subject.You are comparing apples with oranges.We are talking about reward for effort and club culture.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:54 pm 
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I'm sure this won't go down well with some but...

Make no mistake, Ratten conducted himself yesterday the way he did to increase his currency and probability of scoring another coaching gig. If he had done otherwise he would have shot himself in the foot. This happens all the time in corporate life and is the smart way to exit as you leave with dignity and respect in tact. Think about it, if Ratts had teed off on the club or Sticks or Swann what would other clubs think? Do you think they would want him?

Unfortunately Ratts just doesn't have 'it' to be a successful senior coach... by that I mean deliver flags. Our record against Top4 teams, inability to string more than 3 wins and losing to Pt Adelaide and the Gold Coast are testament to this. I put him in the same class as say, a Peter Rohde as a head coach.

The big question now is does Malthouse still have 'it'?


Gutsy post.

Couldn't agree more but good on him for having the presence of mind to see what's potentially ahead instead of focussing on what's happened.

My guess is whichever way we go now both Brett Ratten and the CFC will be better off.

Just wasn't working too well.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:28 pm 
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Couldn't find another Ratten thread, but he's signed on as an assistant at Hawthorn.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

Wasn't a fan of Ratten as a head coach, but think he makes a great assistant. Good get by Hawthorn.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:38 pm 
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