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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:56 pm 
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BV. Malthouse took a very average team and took them to four Grand finals and consistant finals appearences.



I dont understand that argument Mark. If it was an average team, who's fault is that?
The senior coach is responsible for player and list development.

The reality is Malthouse had 14 years at Collingwood. More than enough opportunity to build his own team. He won 1 grand final in 14 years at the best resourced club in the country.
If thats the criteria, Mark Williams is twice the coach Malthouse is.

If you're happy with Malthouse, great. Me, I'd like to see oyur club get off their arses and put everyone through a thorough interview process.
Why is everyone so scared of that?
Is it because Malthouse may not be the best candidate?


!st point- Malthouse took over a very ordinary filth outfit and took to it to Grand finals.
2nd point- he them rebuilt that team and got to and won a GF despite never having any real access to lower draft picks
3rd point- tend to agree re interveiw process, however Malthouse has a proven track record in building culture and a hardness in his teams, the very qualities the current list lacks.


Nah, just way too easy. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:02 pm 
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BV I understand you don't like him and thats fine but anyway you look at it his record is fairly impressive.

Premierships are bloody hard to win and getting harder and he has three.

Has any side he ever coached bottomed out?


i remember the same thing being said about Pagan.
impressive record. Sides dont bottom out.

Its not about me not liking individuals. its about me wanting us to do the right thing for a change.
FFS, we have an opportunity to finally do things properly. To actually set up a comprehensive interview process and give ourselves every opportunity to get things right.
We bemoan board members not being accountable to the members. we bemoan the club looking after their mates. And the one time we have the chance to do it right, we shit ourselves and go back to the quick fix.

Why cant we interview Malthouse along with a dozen others? Whats the problem?




Sorry have only read the last part of this thread but how do we know that they havent /will interview all candidates ?

on saying that i think the MM deal has been done weeks ago - gut feeling



All good BV its a long way between Darwin and Melb :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:04 pm 
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2nd point- he them rebuilt that team and got to and won a GF despite never having any real access to lower draft picks


Do you think he found Pendlebury and Thomas in a brotherhood bin, Mark?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:07 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:

If you're happy with Malthouse, great. Me, I'd like to see oyur club get off their arses and put everyone through a thorough interview process.
Why is everyone so scared of that?
Is it because Malthouse may not be the best candidate?

Agree BV, but a proper process will never happen with Sticks and this board.
Would have been good timing for him to walk and not let his mate take all the blame.
The place needs fumigating.


Just because we didnt do the classic process doesnt mean there hasnt been one. People behind the scenes would have been talking to people for the last 2 years.

Sticks is loyal and would want minimal to do with it but it still would have been happening.

I am not into a Malthouse appointment. Id even go untried before Malthouse.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:10 pm 
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Just because we didnt do the classic process doesnt mean there hasnt been one. People behind the scenes would have been talking to people for the last 2 years.


I think Greg Swann has been talking to Malthouse's manager for 2 years.

Not sure we've talked to too many more than that.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:11 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Just because we didnt do the classic process doesnt mean there hasnt been one. People behind the scenes would have been talking to people for the last 2 years.


I think Greg Swann has been talking to Malthouse's manager for 2 years.

Not sure we've talked to too many more than that.


I am sure Roos knows he is loved.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:12 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:

If you're happy with Malthouse, great. Me, I'd like to see oyur club get off their arses and put everyone through a thorough interview process.
Why is everyone so scared of that?
Is it because Malthouse may not be the best candidate?

Agree BV, but a proper process will never happen with Sticks and this board.
Would have been good timing for him to walk and not let his mate take all the blame.
The place needs fumigating.


Just because we didnt do the classic process doesnt mean there hasnt been one. People behind the scenes would have been talking to people for the last 2 years.

Sticks is loyal and would want minimal to do with it but it still would have been happening.

I am not into a Malthouse appointment. Id even go untried before Malthouse.




IMO, the only fair dinkum process is to throw it open to all applicants.
Approach blokes like Williams, Burns, Teague, Tudor etc etc and ask them to apply.
Short list to about 8 and interview them all.

Do you think thats happened? Not a hope in hell.
Anything else is lip service.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:17 pm 
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club29 wrote:
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Just because we didnt do the classic process doesnt mean there hasnt been one. People behind the scenes would have been talking to people for the last 2 years.


I think Greg Swann has been talking to Malthouse's manager for 2 years.

Not sure we've talked to too many more than that.


I am sure Roos knows he is loved.


Yeh, maybe. Not sure he's heard from anyone at the club in an official capacity though.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:24 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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I think Greg Swann has been talking to Malthouse's manager for 2 years.

Not sure we've talked to too many more than that.


I am sure Roos knows he is loved.


Yeh, maybe. Not sure he's heard from anyone at the club in an official capacity though.



Technically speaking Raheen is in a different postcode to Visy Park. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:26 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Just because we didnt do the classic process doesnt mean there hasnt been one. People behind the scenes would have been talking to people for the last 2 years.

Sticks is loyal and would want minimal to do with it but it still would have been happening.

I am not into a Malthouse appointment. Id even go untried before Malthouse.

That`s the thing i don`t understand Club. He knows it`s going on in the background but then comes out with how anguished he is. Can`t have it both ways. Still don`t know why they didn`t make the cut after the Port or North losses. Could have avoided this debacle.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:35 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
club29 wrote:
Just because we didnt do the classic process doesnt mean there hasnt been one. People behind the scenes would have been talking to people for the last 2 years.

Sticks is loyal and would want minimal to do with it but it still would have been happening.

I am not into a Malthouse appointment. Id even go untried before Malthouse.

That`s the thing i don`t understand Club. He knows it`s going on in the background but then comes out with how anguished he is. Can`t have it both ways. Still don`t know why they didn`t make the cut after the Port or North losses. Could have avoided this debacle.


What would have that achieved Whistler ?

Sticks would have given Ratts every chance to achieve the goal. Can't throw a plan out the window when it gets shaky when you are trying to teach players the same thing. Once it became impossible the pin was pulled.
Meanwhile he probably told certain people to sound out others in case the goal was not met while kept out of it and went down the loyalty path. Fake loyalty in way but it was the face of loyalty that avoided a huge collapse and gave Ratts every chance which he no doubt appreciated and we had the classy parting of ways today.

I personally feel a little dirty about it all. If any player has a sense or even a sense of satisfaction over this they should be traded.

Something is not right with our list and whoever gets them next year better weed out the problem before starting on anything else or they are on a hiding to nothing.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:48 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Heard all this 10 years ago
2 time premiership coach 3 prelims before that was going to change the club culture , was going to teach structures blah blah blah
It all turned to shit



You want to compare those two playing lists?! Lol

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:01 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
They should chuck a bucket load of money at John Longmire he has rebuilt the swans in 2 to 3 years everyone expected them to bottom out once Roos left
Better prospect than Malthouse



Or we could do what the Swans did & find our own John Longmire, without needing the bucket load of money

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:14 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
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They should chuck a bucket load of money at John Longmire he has rebuilt the swans in 2 to 3 years everyone expected them to bottom out once Roos left
Better prospect than Malthouse



Or we could do what the Swans did & find our own John Longmire, without needing the bucket load of money


Are you trying to change 45 years of coaching selections

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:18 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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They should chuck a bucket load of money at John Longmire he has rebuilt the swans in 2 to 3 years everyone expected them to bottom out once Roos left
Better prospect than Malthouse



Or we could do what the Swans did & find our own John Longmire, without needing the bucket load of money


Are you trying to change 145 years of coaching selections


EFA

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:20 pm 
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Could you just imagine if Malthouse turns around and says he doesnt want to coach us.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:25 pm 
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Yazzamatazz wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Heard all this 10 years ago
2 time premiership coach 3 prelims before that was going to change the club culture , was going to teach structures blah blah blah
It all turned to shit



You want to compare those two playing lists?! Lol


Are you saying we should get Pagan back?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:32 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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2nd point- he them rebuilt that team and got to and won a GF despite never having any real access to lower draft picks


Do you think he found Pendlebury and Thomas in a brotherhood bin, Mark?


One year in how many? Proves the point I would think.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:33 pm 
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MICK MALTHOUSE, AS MUCH AS I LIKE HIM, IS NOT THE ANSWER FOR OUR CLUB.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:35 pm 
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Paul Roos said he would field a call from Stephen Kernahan.

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