Well, it's done and dusted.
The sakc Ratts posters have had their way.
The MM camp may well get their way.
I for one wiould like to go on record as thinking this is a huge mistake. I am firmly in the camp that says we would have made the top 4 apart from injuries this year. Obviously it is only an opinion because we will never know. I am not interested in people swearing black and blue that we wouldn't have because it is only their opinion and we will never know that either. We will also never know if Ratts could have delivered us the next flag because like may before him, he was sacked before he had a chance to do it. OK, MM may well deliver us a flag next year but if he does, it will be with the same list plus maybe one or two from outside and I sincerely hope Cloke isn't one of them. MM is a dinosaur from an era where today's dinousaurs were yesterdays new boys. It took him an eon to deliver a premiership at Collingwood and he did it with a great list. No guarantee he will be able to do it with this one.
If we do get him, I will be disappointed and will be filthy if we go for Cloke, who is a prima donna and not worth the money he's asking. If he were, Collingwood would have signed him up months ago. If he comes, we have to consign one of Mitchell, Casboult, Rowe or Henderson to the NB for life or to the backline for years. There will be no incentive for them to stay if they know there is no hope of their getting a game. It's the Jacobs scenario allover again. Leave Cloke where he is to languish. Lets develop what we have. Judd and Murphy aren't interested in Carlton. They are only interested in the immediate future and winning a cup while Judd is there. How would you like to be one of the players mentioned above and know that your captain and vice captain want you to play NB for the next 5 years? Great for morale.

For mine, this is NOT a day the club should be proud of and I hope the sakc Ratts campaigners are happy in advance with next year's results on and off the field.

SHABBY.

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Probably a fabrication but it is certainly MM's fault he has gone this year. What did he say?
"I will coach again but only if I start next year?" Talk about putting pressure on the board of Carlton.

He's as cunning as a fox, is MM.

And about as trustworthy, I reckon.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

udermined poor ratts????

u kidding????

we headhunted mm... not the other way around...

yes top 4 ... but cant win more than 3 games in a row... or one elim final...yup yup sure....

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In a "Sakc Pagan" thread 5 years ago, I suggested that "in 5 years, I predict that whoever we get to coach, the same people will be calling for his head for the same reasons" (paraphrased).

Now I reckon that, Malthouse will be almost certainly be anathema to most on this site in 5 years (if he stays that long).

Actually, he has a headstart as quite a few seem to view him that way already.

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"You can't polish a James Hird"

Result of one game.

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"I had to eat"

Why do we have to make it appear as though we have gone through a process? To keep TC ferals happy?

As those in the know have mentioned, this has been in the pipeline for months. If you think this is a result of the GC game only well I'm sorry but you are out of touch with this whole scenario.

If there has been a process it has been in secret. On top of that, the Prez has lied to us all in the press on TV, in writing.
The board, all 12 members must have been involved at some level or there is no point in having a board.
If that is the case, the board members are very good at keeping secrets and straight faces.

I don't think this is the direct result of the GC game but the GC game was probably the catalyst.
What I don't know and probably none of us knows, is why Steven Kernahan made the statement he did on Monday and then on Tuesday, sacks the coach.

It is interesting to me that CFC is a multi-milion dollar business, as are all the clubs and yet they don't seem to have to comply with the same rules as the rest of the corporate world. The days when footy clubs were financed by pie nights and passing the hat around when the rules of governance were compiled make them as relevant now as the copyright laws passed prior to the internet.

We all want the club to be successful on and off the field and 'whatever it takes' seems to be the catch cry here. This isn't the first time a favourite son of the club has been sacked and it won't be the last. The history of the club is littered with blood and not all the coups resulted in success. Let's hope this one does. It will make for some interesting intra-office banter at work and if Cloke does come (God forbid) will create just another reason for Collingwood to hate us. Not that it matters but the on-field stuff should be willing anyway.

I think it could have been done better, regardless.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

If the club has agreed to term with Malthouse without interviewing every quality candidate, then yes they've been bad/ineffective/shortsighted as I expected.

This club has an amazing capacity to continue making the same @#$%&! ups without learning from the past. Amazing.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

As most know I have not been a Ratten fan

So in one sense the decision to replace him with whoever is the right one IMO

What I cant stand is the narrow minded nature of the club.
Why do they think Malthouse or Roos are the 2 best candidates for the job.

Its the Carlton way Just chuck a big pile of cash at someone with a big name and everyrhing will be alright.Thats worked in the past hasnt it

Short term fix short term fix short term fix..............................

The way the club does its business is hopeless.
Do the maths
If Caros story is true the club didnt want Ratten in May last year. There were huge doubts then.
They put this ridicolous condition that he has to win one final. He does that against an Essendon* team that is stuffed and hey presto lets sign this guy for another 2 years even though we had doubts about him 5 months earlier.
Now we may have to pay a million bucks to pay Ratten as well as assistants out which folks equates to about 5000 memberships.

Other than loving the club, why would a hard working honest citizen part with 200 odd bucks to support a club run by incompetent fools.

The board has to be completely replaced.

And a coach is found by proper process. If Malthouse, Roos or Goodwin or Hinkley or anyone else wants it then apply. Have a independent group of people set the agenda and whittle the numbers down till you have the best possible candidate for the job.


Do you think that wil happen.
Course not and because of the clubs lack of professionalism its likely that the comedy will continue.

As for getting Travis Cloke @#$%&! me dead.

The board has to go and be replaced by a group of six that will run the club properly.

Look its fairly certain that Malthouse or Roos will be coaching us next year.

I reckon the playing list aint good enough anyway to win a flag.
Too many flaky soft fotballers.

Bottom line the club needs to start again in all areas.

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Like any professional organisation. We need the right people with the right expertise.

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With 12 seconds to go in the 1947 Grand Final Fred Stafford snaps a left footed goal. Carlton beat Essendon* by one point..

Number 17 in Carlton's 25 Greatest Moments.

Someone have a chat to Wallsy please. Sick of listening to his broken record.

And so we continue to believe, rather than to learn. I can only see this going one of two ways, either everything works perfectly and we get that flag in the next 2 years....or Malthouse lacks the passion and motivation (as he was accused at the pies) to make the changes required and we waste any chance we have??

I am worried about the second option occuring, I worry that he might want to change things, but we all know that our board and the old boys club have and will continue to make fundamental change hard.

Regardless of who coaches us next year, be it Malthouse or anyone else I suggest that the first pre season training session the players are presenting with a glass of concrete. Thats where the problem lies, we have by far and away the softest bunch of blokes I have seen play footy, they choose when to go, watch the hawks or the swans.. they do not choose, they just go.

Maybe the sacking of a bloke that they all seem to have liked will make them realise that only they can take this club forward.

So when Sticks said he was a reluctant president, what he really meant was he was reluctant to leave?

Interim
n. An interval of time between one event, process, or period and another.
adj. Belonging to, serving during, or taking place during an intermediate interval of time; temporary

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With 12 seconds to go in the 1947 Grand Final Fred Stafford snaps a left footed goal. Carlton beat Essendon* by one point..

Number 17 in Carlton's 25 Greatest Moments.

EFA

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As long as he is starting to attract attention as a bozo president im happy.

Personally, i couldnt see how he has been slipping under the radar for as long as he has.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

So a report in the AGE suggests that we are going to Pay out Ratt's $650K PLUS help him get the job at Port Adeliade and then pay Malthouse $1.25 million a year.

Are we flower mad?

Malthouse is a 60 year old codger who has lost 3 of his last 4 Grand Finals who ONLY HAS US as an option yet he's asking for $1.25million?????


Hey Malthouse - GET STUFFED!

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Why do people believe all this crap in the media??? How would they know the pay out. The $1.25 M is a number pulled out of the backside of one journalist and all the others run it as fact.

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