Carlton confirms Ratten departure p8 (presser notes p12)

choo · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:58 pm

Ockham's Razor wrote:

What if Ratts was told last night - in order to allow him dignity of a farewell game & being told as soon as a decision was made.

What if Ratts didn't react privately in a manner the club expected?

What if Ratts' trusted confidants advised the media?

What if The club was then over a barrel and tried to hose the speculation down today?

What if the frenzy developed a life of its own - the club then needed to call tomorrow's presser rather than wait til next week as planned.

What if a handshake deal was agreed to weeks ago and MM doesn't have the club by the balls?

What if MM's posturing is just part of the public face of the dance?

Maybe the club isn't as bad/ineffective/shortsighted in all areas as some are suggesting.

Insightful quality post.

TheBluesMuse · **Joined:** Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:27 pm **Posts:** 5270

Keep talking people I'm not ready for bed just yet!

Teddy Hopkins · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:06 pm

Siegfried wrote:

kennyhunter wrote:

We can be pretty confident Ratts' head won't be the only one to roll.

There are people pushing for more than a change of coach.

There is a recognition that the problems are deeper than that.

Do you know any specifics Kenny?

At administration level we do not need a 12 person board. We are not a multi national conglomerate.

Sticks has been a board member since the days of Elliott and supported each administration. Indicative of his thought processes or lack of. Hence need for new president.

At footy level it is bleeding obvious our drafting/trading has not been up to par.

my two cents · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:28 pm **Posts:** 572

kennyhunter wrote:

We can be pretty confident Ratts' head won't be the only one to roll.

There are people pushing for more than a change of coach.

There is a recognition that the problems are deeper than that.

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2432

TheSwan wrote:

kennyhunter wrote:

We can be pretty confident Ratts' head won't be the only one to roll.

There are people pushing for more than a change of coach.

There is a recognition that the problems are deeper than that.

Do you agree with that?

Or do you believe that there is a over dramatic theme to all this?

Yep, I reckon we need to make major changes at the top of the tree.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:18 pm

kennyhunter wrote:

We can be pretty confident Ratts' head won't be the only one to roll.

There are people pushing for more than a change of coach.

There is a recognition that the problems are deeper than that.

I don't like writing this, but that's pleasing to hear.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

I think that's been on the cards for a long time. There were already warning signs at the end of the Elliott area. I did a search on here, and found some serious discussion about Kernahan and his performance as far back as 2006.

MPH78 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:25 pm

choo wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

What if Ratts was told last night - in order to allow him dignity of a farewell game & being told as soon as a decision was made.

What if Ratts didn't react privately in a manner the club expected?

What if Ratts' trusted confidants advised the media?

What if The club was then over a barrel and tried to hose the speculation down today?

What if the frenzy developed a life of its own - the club then needed to call tomorrow's presser rather than wait til next week as planned.

What if a handshake deal was agreed to weeks ago and MM doesn't have the club by the balls?

What if MM's posturing is just part of the public face of the dance?

Maybe the club isn't as bad/ineffective/shortsighted in all areas as some are suggesting.

Insightful quality post.

Agreed. Though the only thing is if a handshake deal was done weeks ago with MM than ratts wasn't told straight away.

That being said, I hope it did transpire as OR has posted. Almost gives you the impression our club isn't being run by amateurs.

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2432

choo wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

What if Ratts was told last night - in order to allow him dignity of a farewell game & being told as soon as a decision was made.

What if Ratts didn't react privately in a manner the club expected?

What if Ratts' trusted confidants advised the media?

What if The club was then over a barrel and tried to hose the speculation down today?

What if the frenzy developed a life of its own - the club then needed to call tomorrow's presser rather than wait til next week as planned.

What if a handshake deal was agreed to weeks ago and MM doesn't have the club by the balls?

What if MM's posturing is just part of the public face of the dance?

Maybe the club isn't as bad/ineffective/shortsighted in all areas as some are suggesting.

Insightful quality post.

The club was never going to flick Ratts without a fair idea of who was coming in ...!

AK43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1030

According to Caro the board isn't unanimous in wanting MM, Pratt and others think Roos can be swayed with a big offer. Sorry don't know how to post link to her article from my phone.

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:36 pm

I feel for Ratts, and I do feel rather sad about how everything has transpired.

I do believe he has to go, but he is simply part of the problem, not the sole problem. It is pleasing to hear that recognition has been made that changes have to happen.

I think in any case even if we had beaten GC and St Kilda it wouldn't of made much difference in the grand scheme of things. The GC loss just got rid of any doubt there may of been.

MM and his own people will help, I am sure we will amp up our footy department spending even more too, be interesting who MM decides to move on or keep.

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:37 pm

AK43 wrote:

According to Caro the board isn't unanimous in wanting MM, Pratt and others think Roos can be swayed with a big offer. Sorry don't know how to post link to her article from my phone.

My info is Roos is the first choice but is unlikely to be swayed, so MM it will be.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:41 pm

AK43 wrote:

According to Caro the board isn't unanimous in wanting MM, Pratt and others think Roos can be swayed with a big offer. Sorry don't know how to post link to her article from my phone.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/l ... 250i1.html

Here's the two key paragraphs (IMO)...

Quote:

Travis Cloke could prove another potential saviour in terms of the Blues' brittle forward line, with Carlton players reportedly having met and endorsed a massive plunge on the AFL's most famous free agent, who remains at contractual odds with Collingwood. Even if it means sacrificing their own pay packets.

Quote:

Paul Roos looms as the only potential spanner in what has seemed a done deal for months. The board is not united over Malthouse with several key directors, including Jeanne Pratt, determined to launch a bid for the Swans' premiership coach.

bluedog · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:45 pm

Quote:

Travis Cloke could prove another potential saviour in terms of the Blues' brittle forward line, with Carlton players reportedly having met and endorsed a massive plunge on the AFL's most famous free agent, who remains at contractual odds with Collingwood. Even if it means sacrificing their own pay packets.

Fools. For 2 reasons.

AK43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1030

Cheers.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:47 pm

bluedog wrote:

Quote:

Travis Cloke could prove another potential saviour in terms of the Blues' brittle forward line, with Carlton players reportedly having met and endorsed a massive plunge on the AFL's most famous free agent, who remains at contractual odds with Collingwood. Even if it means sacrificing their own pay packets.

Fools. For 2 reasons.

From my ill-informed position, I agree wholeheartedly! :lol:

Jack Donaghy · **Joined:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:36 am **Posts:** 193

i personally know one of the board members who's currently overseas with family who had no idea what they were doing but who's response to me today via text said, 'yes I have heard but im not sure what's happening exactly because I'm O/S but we were all very disappointed at not making the top 4, let alone the 8'...........

seems he wouldve been a helluva lot more surprised had ratten NOT been sacked!

MPH78 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:50 pm

Jack Donaghy wrote:

i personally know one of the board members who's currently overseas with family who had no idea what they were doing but who's response to me today via text said, 'yes I have heard but im not sure what's happening exactly because I'm O/S but we were all very disappointed at not making the top 4, let alone the 8'...........

seems he wouldve been a helluva lot more surprised had ratten NOT been sacked!

Appreciate the post. Question, how can a board member, albeit overseas, have no idea what is currently going on?

Jack Donaghy · **Joined:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:36 am **Posts:** 193

i suppose I was surprised at this bit aswell......

knowing him quite well though he actually doesn't know a hell of a lot about football or even who the players are!

but trust me, I wouldnt care if he didnt know ANYTHING about football, he doesnt look at it that way, neither should we, I would definitely fight to have him on the board......

can you imagine having to propose and get a unanimous vote from a 12 person board for every internal decision - impossible!

Hawkeye · **Joined:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:22 pm **Posts:** 56

The reality is Malthouse was the architect of Ratten's undoing after assuring him he would not take his job.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/l ... z24wj3Z7jR

According to Caro its all MM's fault that Ratten has been sacked because he has somehow been undermining Ratten since May 2011 whilst he was in the middle of plotting a premiership for the Pies. :lol:

So the underperformance, regular losses to teams that ought to have been beaten , and the lack of a top 4 had no role? What an extraordinary thing for her to say.

Carlton confirms Ratten departure p8 (presser notes p12)

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