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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:21 pm 
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Great post. :clap:

Bitter or not, you're speaking the truth from within, and that's better than 98% of all posts here.

Best wishes for you and your wife. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:50 pm 
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Freddy47 wrote:
Just a quick update on my wife. She’s had her Op, finished Chemo and is two weeks into her Radiation treatment. She remains as positive as she can and the prognosis is very good.


Puts football in perspective Freddy. All the best to you both for continued health.


Hear, hear.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:51 pm 
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the response “You’ve got to be joking” when I enquired about Life Membership.


Should be named and shamed.

I'm embarrassed.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:14 pm 
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I have been meaning to post for awhile now, so here goes.

As many of you now know, up to this year, I had been involved with the club for over 20 years. In that time I have seen the values & culture of our club deteriorate.

My question is what has this board and current club administration done for Carlton. Compared to our main rivals we have seen our membership in decline. The new facilities were not a club initiative. If it wasn’t for the Pratts & Mathiesons we would be in worse financial shape. What is our debt at the moment?

We need change, and replacing the coach is not enough. As far as I’m concerned we need a complete new board and massive change to certain individuals in both the club & football departments. I agree with the following quote from Tony Shaw in yesterday’s HUN about the board’s decision on Ratts – “It’s going to be based on some ego-driven board members who want to cover their backside by getting someone with a massive name into the club to cover their backside over the next three years.”

I have a lot of time for Sticks. He has always treated individuals equally. When he sat in the coaches box he would always stop in to the stats box and acknowledge us and give us a quick pep talk. The only other official that ever did that was Grant Williams. But for a President, in my opinion he makes a good Vice-President. We need somebody with business nous. We need board members with financial, marketing and sponsorship know-how. We need to build up our latent membership in the same way that Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon* & now Richmond have done.

I also have a lot of respect for Ratts. Years ago David Parkin told me out of all the players he coached, Ratts would make the best coach. He re-stated this publically recently. Last year it seemed Ratts was receiving better support, especially with the changes to the assistant coaches. I have no idea what has happened this year. He seems to have bad relationships with quite a few key people in the club. I have been a non-vocal Ratten supporter but, for the future success of the club, I don’t think he can continue. I know a lot of you bag posters like Synbad and DocSherrin, but a lot of the time they are closer to the truth than you give them credit for.

For a long time now we have been devoid of leadership. For years I have seen no evidence of succession planning, other than this year where it is obvious Marc Murphy is being groomed for the captaincy. Who’s being groomed as the future President, CEO, Football Manager or Coach?

I mentioned culture earlier. I suppose this comes back to my treatment earlier this year (yes, I’m still bitter). I would have thought if somebody had put in the amount of time I had over a long period, they deserved more than “Sorry we haven’t got a job for you this year” and the response “You’ve got to be joking” when I enquired about Life Membership. Reward & recognition is an important foundation to the culture in any organisation. We have a culture of arrogance, we’re still living in the past. WE NEED MASSIVE CHANGE.

Just a quick update on my wife. She’s had her Op, finished Chemo and is two weeks into her Radiation treatment. She remains as positive as she can and the prognosis is very good.



Thats terrific news Freddy - and like your post is 100% so I hope your wife makes a 100% recovery.

I am disgusted at the way the club has treated you - but I am not surprised, as the club has treated someone very close to me very shabbily as well, to the point they no longer attend or watch games with me which is very :sad:

We need a new broom to bring the place into the 21st Century like George Harris brought the club out of its post-war stupour in 1964.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:22 pm 
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From the club review thread
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- Administration: We are rudderless and seemingly far behind other clubs.
- Fitness & strength conditioning: These injuries need to !@#$%& stop, not to mention our inability to produce players who can take a contested mark or not shit our pants against teams like the hawks. The management of our tall players is disgraceful. I'm sick of hearing "When we have a full team...blah blah blah", ENOUGH!
- Communications: We fell short of 50,000 members. Either the message isn't getting out properly, or we have a lot of apathetic supporters. Either way, it ain't good enough. As a member, I still hear more about other club's and their players than I do my own just from how they embrace the media and their supporters. Kudos for embracing social media (finally), but we're still a follower and not an innovator, and if Coutts is as slow as people say, he needs to go.
- Player attitudes: Our group are mentally weak, lazy, timid and get full of themselves too easily. In short, they're soft, and need to HTFU. Kokoda perhaps? Our leaders need to be more vocal, and LEAD. This starts from the top, where Juddy leads too much by actions and seemingly not enough by words. Nick Maxwell might be a hack player, but he's undoubtedly in charge. We need more arseholes and/or bogans (ie. Tatts) in this team.
- And FFS, whatever an independent review reveals, DO EVERYTHING THEY SAY! No more "we are Carlton, !@#$%& the rest".

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:44 am 
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Freddy - Good to hear of your wife's recovery. All the best to you both.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:03 am 
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Thanks all for your support. It is very much appreciated.

Just one more thing about culture. Not one official person from the club has contacted me to enquire about the health of my wife. Over 20 years for what!!! The only person that has picked up the phone to contact me is one of the other stats guys.

I reiterate, we need major change at board level. We need people with the skills to help the club in all departments. We need marketing gurus, we need individuals that will drive sponsorship, to reduce debt. We don't need a board of 12. Please, somebody out there challenge the existing board. I'm sure that the support is out there for change.

The only thing this board has done for honorary officials is take away the little privileges we had. For what. A savings of a thousand or two. Culture pfft.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:08 pm 
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The only thing this board has done for honorary officials is take away the little privileges we had. For what. A savings of a thousand or two. Culture pfft.


I would assume this was done by the admin, football manager or CEO. I am tempted to ask a question about this at the next AGM. I think somebody in management decided we should be more "professional" and stop using volunteers. The merit of this can be debated, what can not be debated is the treatment of somebody like you. Did similar things happen to other volunteers?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:15 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
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The only thing this board has done for honorary officials is take away the little privileges we had. For what. A savings of a thousand or two. Culture pfft.


I would assume this was done by the admin, football manager or CEO. I am tempted to ask a question about this at the next AGM. I think somebody in management decided we should be more "professional" and stop using volunteers. The merit of this can be debated, what can not be debated is the treatment of somebody like you. Did similar things happen to other volunteers?


I was at a private function and a board member was present. He told me that it was a board decision. All voluntary officials received the same treatment.

The club would not function without volunteers. You can't have full-time statisticians, or a full team of full-time trainers. When we won the '95 premiership we had a photo taken in the middle of PP. It was in The Sun. About 80 volunteers.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:21 pm 
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So do they use any volunteers now? or did they get rid of just some?

Sorry to ask for details, but I would like tp ask about this at the AGM - it comes down to culture and this is an important issue.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:27 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
So do they use any volunteers now? or did they get rid of just some?


They will always use volunteers. Some last 1 year, some last 20 years. Some get life membership, some don't. What the club did at the start of this year was get rid of three long term volunteers (+15 years) and all they gave them was a piece of paper saying thank-you. I stated this before - Volunteers or Honorary Officials (whatever you want to call them) qualify for life membership after 15 years of service. I have been told they need to be nominated for life membership, by whom, I don't know and have never been told. I know of others that have received life membership (it's awhile ago now) for doing a lot less than I have done.

We are arrogant. We have no culture.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:36 pm 
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That sucks Freddy but :thumbsup: :thumbsup: to the missus.

I think that's a question that should be posed to Sticks at the AGM.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:40 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
That sucks Freddy but :thumbsup: :thumbsup: to the missus.

I think that's a question that should be posed to Sticks at the AGM.


I hope somebody does. I can't, I'm not a member and at the moment I don't intend to change that unless certain individuals are gone from the club. For me, it's personal.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:56 pm 
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Thanks Freddy. I bring this up if I can make the AGM this year. If I do, I will PM shortly before to "prepare" the question.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:13 pm 
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Best wishes to you and your wife Freddy, - Stay Positive!!! :thumbsup:



Just a question for everybody:-


Mass Supporter Protest
We have over 45,000 members and I dare say 90% of them are un-happy with the club.
Would we organise a Mass Supporter Protest to take place outside Princess Park to show our frustration?

I'm not talking a violent one or anything like that! Just to show that we are Pissed Off with how this place is being run and has been run for over 10 years now! It's gotten beyond a joke.

Clearly the club is a rabble. I'm talking everybody. Freddy's post sums it up well and i've been feeling this come on for a while now.
Coach, President, CEO, Board, Coaching Staff, Players................. None of it is clicking.

There are a few people high up in this club that should be held responsible, however because of their 'ego's' and their 'position' in the club they point the finger elsewhere.

I fully believe that if Sticks and Swann continue to run this club we will continue to go backwards. I don't care who they bring in as coach because CLEARLY they are as much of the problem as anybody.


Imagine 10-15k people protesting outside Princess Park voicing their frustration at how their beloved Football team is being run!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:43 pm 
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Best wishes to you and your wife Freddy, - Stay Positive!!! :thumbsup:



Just a question for everybody:-


Mass Supporter Protest
We have over 45,000 members and I dare say 90% of them are un-happy with the club.
Would we organise a Mass Supporter Protest to take place outside Princess Park to show our frustration?

I'm not talking a violent one or anything like that! Just to show that we are Pissed Off with how this place is being run and has been run for over 10 years now! It's gotten beyond a joke.

Clearly the club is a rabble. I'm talking everybody. Freddy's post sums it up well and i've been feeling this come on for a while now.
Coach, President, CEO, Board, Coaching Staff, Players................. None of it is clicking.

There are a few people high up in this club that should be held responsible, however because of their 'ego's' and their 'position' in the club they point the finger elsewhere.

I fully believe that if Sticks and Swann continue to run this club we will continue to go backwards. I don't care who they bring in as coach because CLEARLY they are as much of the problem as anybody.


Imagine 10-15k people protesting outside Princess Park voicing their frustration at how their beloved Football team is being run!


Can't we just dress the CFMEU in Carlton jumpers and send them down there instead?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:14 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
Thanks Freddy. I bring this up if I can make the AGM this year. If I do, I will PM shortly before to "prepare" the question.



Mikkey

This is totally off the topic, but what on earth is it with your avatar picture???

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:55 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:07 pm 
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I would really like to see others in the administration (Sticks and Co) be made accountable for their poor decision making over the last few years....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:26 pm 
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Membership

Communications

Development

Stand Alone Reserves

PP Redevelopment Precinct

Minor Games at PP

New President and smaller board

Sponsorship & Marketing

MCG Home Ground


Good list. I would be putting Stand Alone Reserves & MCG Home Ground at the top of the list

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