...I realise it was hard with the supporters with the blinkers on, but it'll be for the best long-term...could be history defining. It's not just the coaches they'll have to make the call on - it's a few players as well. Some staff too!

The lesson being on the subject

How to support like Doc. 101.

a) Don't buy memberships.
b) Hope for losses.
c) when challenged become abusive.
d) Get banned.
e) On return, claim losses as part of the master plan.

Delusional.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Hmmm...not quite simple Cimm. Let me correct you (although I'm not convinced you retain what you've read...but here goes)

a) Everyone has a choice whether to buy a membership or not. My money toward the club went elsewhere this year. I have an AFL membership. I think I've spelled that out ad nauseum before.

b) Never hoped for losses. Argued that 2012 was over a long time ago. Ratts lost the players very early on. (Fact). Merely said a win against Brisbane was irrelevant. Winning became irrelevant. The season was gone. I'm sure you're probably grasping to the notion that the Premiership was still alive until it was mathematically possible that we could win it. It wasn't. Many understand where I was coming from...why can't you?

c) I was called an average supporter. That's so far from the truth it's not funny. I responded by calling that poster a dumb cauliflower and bypassing the swear filter in doing so. I was wrong. He's not a cauliflower at all.

d) Yep...one week. But what a week!

e) You wanna quote me on where I said this? Or are you taking me out of context again? Is it that hard for you to understand? Obviously it is. I said it'll be for the benefit of the club long term. If some of the problems we have in a football department context weren't made obvious to you on Saturday night, then there's no hope for you. None at all. I'd even argue that you didn't understand football. What else needs to @#$%&! happen for some of you to see that the coach isn't the right bloke - not because he isn't a good coach or a good bloke - he's both those things...but his message is lost on this playing group at this point in time. They haven't responded. The board has been split on Ratts for 2 years...it hurts - but at some stage you have to cut your losses and admit defeat. I can't imagine you doing that Cimm...but the club needs to and I hope they will.

So, did you want us to lose or not?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

It's a simple proposition Doc.

Given the choice between winning a game that means we may play finals or hoping we lose so it MIGHT lead to organizational changes that MiGHT mean we become competative to make finals, then I choose the former.

If these changes are required then they should happen but surely they should not have to come at the expense of 98% of the supporter base who hoped we might get some sept action.

They do not need to be mutually exclusive.

I would think even your most strident supporters had hoped to make it. They may well see this as an opportunity for change now but I don't remember many backing your call for a loss on Sat.

And next year I'll support the club but you support will still be conditional on who ends up in charge.

If Malty has a bad run at what point will you drop off? Round 15.?

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I hope Essendon* folds.

here's my two bob's.

I always want us to win, always

but like that game where losing meant we got Kruise
if this loss means we begin to get our shit together then I'll gladly take it.

It hurts
but if we win a flag within 3 years I figure I'll get over it

but the way we are going at the moment (past 2 years )

good game good game building
@#$%&! that was shit!
good game good game building
@#$%&! that was shit!
we are never going to win a flag

@#$%&! I doubt we would ever get to fourth!

I don't even want Malthause

I'd rather 6 years and do it right everywhere

but 3 - Malty and a flag and I'll get over it.

No flag and I'll tells youse all I tolds yous so!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

This!

i really wanted to win against the gold coast

i played around with the ladder predictor so many times

i really wanted to play finals

the loss really hurt

i buy at least 3 memberships a year

i have donated a lot of time to a carlton fan site for many years

ive spent thousands and thousands of dollars on this club

i realise after the pain of saturday's loss in the cold hard light of day - some good may well come from the loss on saturday

i can see that a win and a possible trip to the finals may have masked our issues

i can see this because i know we have some very poor people running this club

i am excited by the opportunity the loss brings

i cant wait for the 'review'(already well underway) , the fallout, the news, the draft, the preseason etc

i am carlton

everyone needs to stop measuring their e-peens and start realising we all want the same thing

carlton success

no fan is better than any other fan

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Those Dyson air multipliers go OK though

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

they are freaky

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I've explained my stance on this so many @#$%&! times, I'm amazed people can't see it for what it is. 2012 was shot a long time ago. In my opinion, the best thing for the club was to fast track 2013...that included reviews (which they did), player injury management (which they were bad at), and getting games into youngsters (which they were reluctantly forced into, but still managed to suck at it).



Again - where I have said this. How many times are you going to make shit up? 2013 is a clean slate. I hope. If you knew some of the things that have been going on at that place this year you might actually agree with me...nah...you're so 'one week at a time' ..a philosophy that simply doesn't work when you look at the big picture. The future.

Looking forward to the end of 2012. Changes happening. And looking forward to not having these discussions with you next year. It's a different ball game in many respects and as I've said before....it won't take much to turn it around. I'll be there supporting the Carlton Football Club.

As you say Doc you have explained yourself so many times before so possibly the sarcasm could be rested as you know other posters will attack your comments.

Having said that, maybe that's your objective.

So where's the sarcasm in the above post? I'm only replying to the crap when I'm taken way out of context or presumptions about my support for the club are bought into question. I'm not going to stand back and let two idiots who know very little about the workings of a professional sporting club (least of all Carlton), dictate threads.

Leave it Doc. It makes sense to most people. There are just certain people that want to argue no matter what the point. The less they understand the more they argue.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

It's not just the above posts.

I see your comments for what they are. You have the best interests of the club at heart [not so much the people who are @#$%&! it up], but some people take offence to what you have to say [not me].

I think at the end of the day, well care too much, which is why we get on this forum every day and bitch about the shit that we are in.

I don't think it was the present so much as how it was wrapped Doc. The "Go Brisbane" from a few weeks ago was pretty poorly articulated and it was this vibe that got permeated through your posts re: Gold Coast last week too Doc. Made it seem flat out like you wanted Carlton to lose, which you kinda did...

But that's really only a piece of the puzzle as most of us know.

Me? I hoped for us to win and I wanted change. I can see how missing finals could ensure change, but I'd argue if we won both GC/St K and missed out on finals on percentage, change may not have come anyways due to a strong finish to the year. I still wanted to see us do well (as always) and hoped that the Club would make the right decisions regardless at season's end, finals or not.

If you have so little faith in the day-to-day operaions of the Club to the point where you will us to lose to avoid any chance of maintaining the status quo, what hope do we have that they won't @#$%&! Malthouse around and cause the same crapola again? It's a complex issue. If Matheson and J. Pratt called vote of no confidence and put away the chequebooks, would Sticks step aside for the love of the Club and allow new blood to take the reigns? It's clear he cares and he hurts...as to how much he cares at the expense of his own neck remains to be seen. Freddy's post on culture etc made me think a lot...here's a guy who's seen over 2 decades from the inside. His opinion holds water for mine, bitter or not. Yours does too Doc, without the stupid "GO BRISBANE/SUNS/ANYONE AGAINST CARLTON TIL CHANGE COMES!!!" ideology.

My take on things re Doc is, it's not about losing. It's being pragmatic. It's acknowledging that season 2012 was over ages ago and preparing for 2013. Play the kids. Confirm the list. We still could have won as many matches, although it probably would not have happened, but at least a correct assessment of the list could have been made. It's too late now.

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With 12 seconds to go in the 1947 Grand Final Fred Stafford snaps a left footed goal. Carlton beat Essendon* by one point..

Number 17 in Carlton's 25 Greatest Moments.

...but we did play the kids. Then we looked like we could make the finals so we went for it like anyone in a competitive sport would.
Hoping we would lose is one thing. Spruking it on a fansite is another. Doc loves doing it. Did it with the Bullants for a few years and then moved on to the Carlton this year. He is stirring it up for his own fun. Take it with a grain of salt and move to the next topic where Doc Sherrin is more than likely to say some great stuff that lights up the thread.

We played a lot of the kids (and almost kids) spasmodically. In one week, out the next.

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With 12 seconds to go in the 1947 Grand Final Fred Stafford snaps a left footed goal. Carlton beat Essendon* by one point..

Number 17 in Carlton's 25 Greatest Moments.

This was what awaited me on my desktop at work...

and this was what my homepage was set to.

Both done by a Richmond supporter of all people

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY