No Praise for Ratts! (split topic)

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:07 pm

Synbad wrote:

isdonis.george wrote:

Brett Ratten has had five years – three years with a millstone around his neck (Fevola) and two without.

Carlton was a basket case as long as Fev stayed.

And his gameplan was to kick the ball to him every time.....

Millstone eh???

:roll:

The reality was Fevola had his own game plan and used to laugh at the coaches.
Cannoning into Setanta from behind was part of Fevola's game plan which was get outta my way.

Hard to coach a team with that going on. But lots of supporters loved it. And a clique of senior players used to hang with Fevola, along with a No 1 draft pick – and influential board members.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

If this is true he is a joke! :banghead:

Damian Barrett:

"Carlton's crisis deepens with one of their recruiters admitting they erred in not selecting Jordan Murdoch in the 2011 draft.

The stunning concession calls into question Carlton's list management at the end of season 2011 where they were left with only the minimum 3 draft picks, forcing Carlton to miss the highly rated Murdoch, nominated for Rising Star in round 22, in favour of mature-aged tall forward Sam Rowe, who was selected at the insistence of outgoing coach Ratten.

Geelong's recruiting guru Stephen Wells, given considerable autonomy by Geelong's wise and patient football department, selected Murdoch with their 3rd pick in 2011. Murdoch, along with the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Smedts, Vardy, Motlop, Menzel, Hunt, Guthrie and Stringer is forming the nucleus of Geelong's next era. Meanwhile Carlton, dogged by Ratten's interference with recruiting relies on mature-aged recruits and rookie listers to top up their flagging list."

Seriously!!! :hitcomputer:

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

ThePsychologist wrote:

If this is true he is a joke! :banghead:

Damian Barrett:

"Carlton's crisis deepens with one of their recruiters admitting they erred in not selecting Jordan Murdoch in the 2011 draft.

The stunning concession calls into question Carlton's list management at the end of season 2011 where they were left with only the minimum 3 draft picks, forcing Carlton to miss the highly rated Murdoch, nominated for Rising Star in round 22, in favour of mature-aged tall forward Sam Rowe, who was selected at the insistence of outgoing coach Ratten.

Geelong's recruiting guru Stephen Wells, given considerable autonomy by Geelong's wise and patient football department, selected Murdoch with their 3rd pick in 2011. Murdoch, along with the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Smedts, Vardy, Motlop, Menzel, Hunt, Guthrie and Stringer is forming the nucleus of Geelong's next era. Meanwhile Carlton, dogged by Ratten's interference with recruiting relies on mature-aged recruits and rookie listers to top up their flagging list."

Seriously!!! :hitcomputer:

Did Agro tell Barrett that :?:

Mrs Caz · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:18 pm

ThePsychologist wrote:

If this is true he is a joke! :banghead:

Damian Barrett:

"Carlton's crisis deepens with one of their recruiters admitting they erred in not selecting Jordan Murdoch in the 2011 draft.

The stunning concession calls into question Carlton's list management at the end of season 2011 where they were left with only the minimum 3 draft picks, forcing Carlton to miss the highly rated Murdoch, nominated for Rising Star in round 22, in favour of mature-aged tall forward Sam Rowe, who was selected at the insistence of outgoing coach Ratten.

Geelong's recruiting guru Stephen Wells, given considerable autonomy by Geelong's wise and patient football department, selected Murdoch with their 3rd pick in 2011. Murdoch, along with the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Smedts, Vardy, Motlop, Menzel, Hunt, Guthrie and Stringer is forming the nucleus of Geelong's next era. Meanwhile Carlton, dogged by Ratten's interference with recruiting relies on mature-aged recruits and rookie listers to top up their flagging list."

Seriously!!! :hitcomputer:

That was aramari's attempt at a joke. That's how easily stuff written on the interweb thingy can get taken as "fact".

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Mrs Caz wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

If this is true he is a joke! :banghead:

Damian Barrett:

"Carlton's crisis deepens with one of their recruiters admitting they erred in not selecting Jordan Murdoch in the 2011 draft.

The stunning concession calls into question Carlton's list management at the end of season 2011 where they were left with only the minimum 3 draft picks, forcing Carlton to miss the highly rated Murdoch, nominated for Rising Star in round 22, in favour of mature-aged tall forward Sam Rowe, who was selected at the insistence of outgoing coach Ratten.

Geelong's recruiting guru Stephen Wells, given considerable autonomy by Geelong's wise and patient football department, selected Murdoch with their 3rd pick in 2011. Murdoch, along with the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Smedts, Vardy, Motlop, Menzel, Hunt, Guthrie and Stringer is forming the nucleus of Geelong's next era. Meanwhile Carlton, dogged by Ratten's interference with recruiting relies on mature-aged recruits and rookie listers to top up their flagging list."

Seriously!!! :hitcomputer:

That was aramari's attempt at a joke. That's how easily stuff written on the interweb thingy can get taken as "fact".

Fair enough, my apologies. That's why I asked if it was true. I hadn't heard it myself.

mots · **Joined:** Tue May 11, 2010 9:46 pm **Posts:** 832

The worrying part about this is it may well be true.

Mrs Caz · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:24 pm

ThePsychologist wrote:

Mrs Caz wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

If this is true he is a joke! :banghead:

Damian Barrett:

"Carlton's crisis deepens with one of their recruiters admitting they erred in not selecting Jordan Murdoch in the 2011 draft.

The stunning concession calls into question Carlton's list management at the end of season 2011 where they were left with only the minimum 3 draft picks, forcing Carlton to miss the highly rated Murdoch, nominated for Rising Star in round 22, in favour of mature-aged tall forward Sam Rowe, who was selected at the insistence of outgoing coach Ratten.

Geelong's recruiting guru Stephen Wells, given considerable autonomy by Geelong's wise and patient football department, selected Murdoch with their 3rd pick in 2011. Murdoch, along with the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Smedts, Vardy, Motlop, Menzel, Hunt, Guthrie and Stringer is forming the nucleus of Geelong's next era. Meanwhile Carlton, dogged by Ratten's interference with recruiting relies on mature-aged recruits and rookie listers to top up their flagging list."

Seriously!!! :hitcomputer:

That was aramari's attempt at a joke. That's how easily stuff written on the interweb thingy can get taken as "fact".

Fair enough, my apologies. That's why I asked if it was true. I hadn't heard it myself.

Well, you didn't actually ASK if it was true...you just said "If this is true he is a joke!" and then hit your head against the wall and then smashed your computer up.

If you'd said "is this true?" or "Could this be true?" then yes, you would have asked.

aramari · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:24 pm

Sorry people, was obviously ( I thought) a joke. Just because it wasn't funny doesn't mean it wasn't a joke.

On the bright side, I can write like a footy hack!

my two cents · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:28 pm **Posts:** 572

SurreyBlue wrote:

JohnM wrote:

redback wrote:

Ratten like the commentators say inherited a basket case.

No he didn't, that's just playing with the truth.

Pagan... now HE inherited a basket case.

Ratten inherited a side that had pretty much finished its rebuild (he took over just in time to tank for our 3rd straight No.1 pick, and was given the best midfielder in the game as a nice present for his first full season as coach.

Ratts got a side that had spent its time down at the bottom, and was primed to rise up the ladder due to the vastly improved players that had come into the club in the preceeding 3 years.

5 years on, he got us into the lower reaches of the 8 and one finals win.

He didn't inherit a top quality side, but it's an absolute nonsense to suggest he inherited a basket case.

Judd, Waite, Betts, Gibbs, Murphy, Scotland, Simpson, Jamison, Walker, Fevola, Kruezer, Carazzo, Stevens, Armfield, Thornton, Hampson... that's some pretty decent talent he had at his disposal at Round 1, 2008.

People have short memories.
Ratten put the Carlton back into Carlton. Pagan was getting us no-where and in a hurry.
The club was a basket case on and offield.
PRATT was the man that got us going off field and Ratten on-field.

SB if it was up to you. JE would still be the President and we would playing games at Princes Park.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:33 pm

That Murdoch can play though eh????

Just didnt catch the recruiters eye at all.....

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18023

aramari wrote:

Sorry people, was obviously ( I thought) a joke. Just because it wasn't funny doesn't mean it wasn't a joke.

On the bright side, I can write like a footy hack!

Dominator_7 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:36 pm

Its the end of an era guys... Time for change.
The Ratten / Sticks / Swann era hasnt lived up to expectation and we all know that.
1 measly finals win and 3 finals chokes over that time isnt good enough.
Surely Ratts will finish up after next week if the club has any sense, and he ll leave behind him a playing list full of show ponies and softies, and a long list of 'What the's....

camel · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:37 pm

aramari wrote:

Sorry people, was obviously ( I thought) a joke. Just because it wasn't funny doesn't mean it wasn't a joke.

On the bright side, I can write like a footy hack!

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2646

I know you're been condescending but so would I MTC.
The big games at the G and with some money spent on PP we would have our own little boutique that we could build into a home ground advantage like the interstates.
All the advantage of advertising, catering and hosting other lower crowd pulling games for gate taking.
Not a bad little earner.
Hawthorn and the Roos go to Tassie.
The Roos looking at Ballarat.
Richmond selling home games to Cairns.
Geelong has its own or doesn't that count because it's 60 km away.

mots · **Joined:** Tue May 11, 2010 9:46 pm **Posts:** 832

Yeh, I wasn't fooled. Maybe just a little bit. Alright I almost believed it.

AGRO · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:43 pm

aramari wrote:

Sorry people, was obviously ( I thought) a joke. Just because it wasn't funny doesn't mean it wasn't a joke.

On the bright side, I can write like a footy hack!

Not a joke if actually true - but following Carlton over the past 10 years it's hard to tell what a joke is or isn't.

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:47 pm

SurreyBlue wrote:

JohnM wrote:

redback wrote:

Ratten like the commentators say inherited a basket case.

No he didn't, that's just playing with the truth.

Pagan... now HE inherited a basket case.

Ratten inherited a side that had pretty much finished its rebuild (he took over just in time to tank for our 3rd straight No.1 pick, and was given the best midfielder in the game as a nice present for his first full season as coach.

Ratts got a side that had spent its time down at the bottom, and was primed to rise up the ladder due to the vastly improved players that had come into the club in the preceeding 3 years.

5 years on, he got us into the lower reaches of the 8 and one finals win.

He didn't inherit a top quality side, but it's an absolute nonsense to suggest he inherited a basket case.

Judd, Waite, Betts, Gibbs, Murphy, Scotland, Simpson, Jamison, Walker, Fevola, Kruezer, Carazzo, Stevens, Armfield, Thornton, Hampson... that's some pretty decent talent he had at his disposal at Round 1, 2008.

People have short memories.
Ratten put the Carlton back into Carlton. Pagan was getting us no-where and in a hurry.
The club was a basket case on and offield.
PRATT was the man that got us going off field and Ratten on-field.

Pratt and JE were Fevola supporters. That's why Fevola got away with having his own game plan. Makes it hard for the coaches.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10575

redback wrote:

I know you're been condescending but so would I MTC.
The big games at the G and with some money spent on PP we would have our own little boutique that we could build into a home ground advantage like the interstates.
All the advantage of advertising, catering and hosting other lower crowd pulling games for gate taking.
Not a bad little earner.
Hawthorn and the Roos go to Tassie.
The Roos looking at Ballarat.
Richmond selling home games to Cairns.
Geelong has its own or doesn't that count because it's 60 km away.

... redback - you have no idea. your just an idiot with silly ideas that make no sense ... :lol:

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10575

isdonis.george wrote:

Pratt and JE were Fevola supporters. That's why Fevola got away with having his own game plan. Makes it hard for the coaches.

here goes nothin...

Fevola was Carlton. Members came to watch him play and really was the only shining light on-field for Carlton during the hard times. Some would say was critical off-field as well to our finances.
That is the reason we (everyone at Carlton including coaches) treated him with kid gloves and differently.
He was given more than enough chances plus more as well.
By the way, a lot of other clubs have these individuals in their teams right now as well. Clubs currently sitting top 4 if you like. :wink:

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:08 pm

SurreyBlue wrote:

redback wrote:

I know you're been condescending but so would I MTC.
The big games at the G and with some money spent on PP we would have our own little boutique that we could build into a home ground advantage like the interstates.
All the advantage of advertising, catering and hosting other lower crowd pulling games for gate taking.
Not a bad little earner.
Hawthorn and the Roos go to Tassie.
The Roos looking at Ballarat.
Richmond selling home games to Cairns.
Geelong has its own or doesn't that count because it's 60 km away.

... redback - you have no idea. your just an idiot with silly ideas that make no sense ... :lol:

Surrey so we should go to Mildura????
Catering isnt lomg term success... bums on seats is.

if you can be more profitable with 25,000 bums on seats at some small groundthan with 40,000 at the Dome.. you still wouldnt do 25,000 seats.. cos that 25000 will shrink .... no t v coverage...

Its about growing not shrinking...

Geelong is 60 kms away but its another city...........

Its GEE-LONG...

Its not like NOR-WOOD surrey.... in the eastern suburban league second division... and not in the SANFL.

This GEELONG is another city.....

anyway.. what will be will be......

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