Either way, Cloke can bugger off! Lingy last night was the only one with enough guts and nous to tell it like it is.

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Yep,that was me 74....................it was up shit creek from day one.A CEO was appointed on the basis that he was to be heavily involved in the footy department.A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.And thats what it has turned out to be......................dont say you guys werent told.That caper wouldnt work at your local under 12's letalone an AFL outfit.Ridiculous beyond belief.How Sticks got sucked in by Swann i'll never know.Gullable schoolboy stuff.

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....but GC barely won a game with their best 22 so perhaps last night was their best 22.

So we should go after some of their depth players. Cos we would ill to have some of them.

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They have to get rid of 7 (!) this year because the list has to be smaller and they have to draft. Assume all clubs are studying their list in great detail atm.

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We should chase Toy & Caddy minimum. Some real talent that would add to our list

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A quick question,Arron Cornelius,is he up to it

A quick question. How do we satisfy GC without doing more harm than good? Stick with the draft, hidden cheepies (perhaps one) and free agency. And trade a few of our own for more draft picks.

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exactly.

Could anyone name the 13 from their best 22 that has barely won a game ? Riscatelli, Hunt, Swallow...........................?

Last night was there best game of the year. They should take another look at who their best 22 is.

They will have super team in the next few years if they keep defending like that. They were really hard to play against and when we finally got going we shot ourselves in the foot. Flaky %$#&ers !

Liked him when playing for Tasmania. Was more a lead up type FF and did very well.

Issue is he is a bit of a one trick pony and more a third tall option at AFL level.

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Paf, they have to rid of a number of players and they wont be that expensive.

Caddy may be a straight swap for Hampson.

Toy is coming home and GC are ready to trade. Russell and a third rounder may do it?

IMO they are better than we would get in the draft and have 2 years under their belts.

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Paf, they have to rid of a number of players and they wont be that expensive.

Caddy may be a straight swap for Hampson.

Toy is coming home and GC are ready to trade. Russell and a third rounder may do it?

IMO they are better than we would get in the draft and have 2 years under their belts.

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Paf, they have to rid of a number of players and they wont be that expensive.

Caddy may be a straight swap for Hampson.

Toy is coming home and GC are ready to trade. Russell and a third rounder may do it?

IMO they are better than we would get in the draft and have 2 years under their belts.

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Sticks got sucked in because he doesn't have anywhere near the credentials to actually be doing the job he's doing.

So you have the unfortunate situation where the theoretical leader of the club (the President) isn't confident enough to actually lead the place... so he defers to the executive leadership (who is little more than an efficient functionary but certainly not a leader).

Nett result is a fundamental breakdown in club leadership, and from that stems most of our problems.

Look at, say Hawthorn as an example of how it's meant to be done.

At the hawks, no-one was under any misunderstanding that the Leader of the club was Jeff Kennett. The CEO was there to implement the broader strategy that Kennett and the Board of Directors dictated. One leader, one message, and the hierarchy of the club is there to execute.

Contrast that to the dog's breakfast you have at Carlton, and you weep for what we've become.

We have a bunch of people sitting around a boardroom table, and in executive offices. But we have no leadership.

Sorry, this probably belongs in the Kernahan thread. But our problems are all linked, so it's hard to keep them apart.

Anyway, I hope beyond hope that the club doesn't get away with making Ratten a sacrificial lamb and going on with business as usual. But I suspect that's the plan.

Aaha,would he be of value to us?

He gets it wrong each time.

Cos he concentrates on their players not what we have to do

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yes, thank god we tagged Ablett, wouldnt have wanted the result Hawks got last week..

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Is Toy on the outer at GC? Why isn't he getting game time there? I know nothing about him other than the 3 GC games I've seen this year, he hasn't played.

I'm no fan of Ratts as a coach but gee you gotta feel sorry for him the way our players insipidly approached the game...

What a way to end for a great Carlton person...

Should be talking to MM asap, the players need a good slab of concrete as well so they can harden the @#$%&! up...

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Those who think advocating the removal of ratten means you don't have a proactive plan. Here is mine.

A) embrace the draft - Rodgers will do this if allowed
B) delist or trade coach killers (soft players) Gibbs garlett etc within 12 months of new coach arriving
C) list cloggers delisted now
D) impliment game plan around functioning forward line. Cassoult must mprove kicking within 12
E) appoint murphy as captain
F) recruit a big bodied developing ruck as our rucks are weak
G ) Scotland retires to captAin bullants
H) 7 person board that includes McClure or walls or Parkin
I) coaching committee established to appoint best coach
J) new coach to impliment real match day tactics. Actually make moves when we are down
K) review fitness program to tailor around strength for some and speed for others
L) swann replaced. Kernahan replaced by fahoud