The all NEW Mick Malthouse thread

Mark J · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:28 pm

Hornet wrote:

Braithy wrote:

DocSherrin wrote:

How the !@#$%& do you call 8th/9th close?

Obviously with our injury count, 13 wins is looking more and more like a monumental effort.

I can't see any other AFL team being capable of matching our output this season under the same circumstances.

We sucked major kahunas well before injuries became the coach's savior

The Pois aside, we've failed miserably (at times) against top 8 teams... we just don't stack up with them tactically

By his own admission, Ratts had no idea about the talent in the seconds and credits injuries for their forced inclusions... meanwhile teams like Geelong seem to blood youngster after youngster

Question: you seem sure we'll end up on 13 wins... would your opinion change if we lose to the Saints with a relatively strong list, and end up on 12 wins?

Still with 25% of our preseason best 22 out;

Jamo
Hendo
Laidler
Warnock
Hampson

plus arguably Bower,Joseph and Russell ( i know they're not best 22, but would've been in the mix at beginning of the year)

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:29 pm

Mark J wrote:

Synbad wrote:

David Parkin?
He coached Ratts and is his confidente.

Youre not serious are you???

Look.. i know this is hard for you to comprehend.. but if these people think Ratts os the right person to coach us going forward.. and he is a better coach now than he was last year....they should be calling for him to be baced with another season bolted onto his contract.
Risky move is it???

Why?
Hes better now than when he got his last extension.

Cruelled by injuries

The truth is noone after over 110 games of AFL coaching is convinced.. and theyre all happy to give him another year with a wait and see.

The fact is a huge % of our list has not known another coach and have no clue about any other coac hing methodology.
The fact is we dont have a fingerprint gameplan that defines what we do as extraordinary to what other teams do.
The fact remains that there is scant leadership and player mettle.
And the fact remains we have been unable to beat any quality side in a ding dong fight to the death game ...

We just cruise.. we have our good days we have out bad days...all brought together with a bunch of excuses.

The fact is we have won 1 elimination final in 5 seasons of footy.
The fact is not many are convinced that Ratts can take us forwars and allow us to join the elite teams in the comp.

You might be happy with that... i dunno....

Your best one yet Synners!

The fact is Ratts took over possibly the worst Carlton list in the last 30 years
The fact is that under his tenure we have steadily improved over the last 5 years
The fact is that we were 6 and 1 this season until someone ran over a black cat
The fact is that no matter what level of footy you play; if you loose multiple key position players for any period of time you will struggle
The fact is if you lose any of your main mids for a period of time (co-incidently at the same time as losing your Key pos players) you will struggle
The fact is its alomst impossible to guarantee any consistency over the aforementioned period
The fact is we've managed to beat Collingwood twice, Tigers twice and Bummers once, which would satisfy 99% of Blues fans in a year from hell
The fact is Parkin has coached this club to 4 more flags than you or i, and would have more knowledge in his smallest arsehole hair about the CFC, than you or i (ditto Walls)
The fact is 3 of our last 4 finals have been interstate.....the most difficult environment of all

And the fact is...i reckon you should go and buy a membership and throw your full support behind this great club! :razz:

Thats banana talk.... fact!!! ;p;

Worst list?

An unprecedented amount of number 1 picks plus the best player in the comp.. and a coleman medalist
If Walls and Parkin knew so much about modern day coaching why arent they coaching???

Parkin can let the team coach themselves and Walls can do the huddle again.

Look.. football has changed so much since those two retired it aint funny.

They dont know more than me about modern day coaching cos none of us have modern day coached.

Again these guys telling us how great Ratts is as a coach should also ask for the club to give Ratts more than just a year.....
Just back their man.....

none of this whimpy see how he goes next year bullshit!!!.... cos thats what it is....

:lol:

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 7161

Ratts has got less to worry about than Swann.Has anybody mentioned Ben Buckley ?

baz_baz · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 11:44 am **Posts:** 2000

Blue Vain wrote:

Braithy wrote:

On 360 Eade and Bomber both sung about Ratts improvement and handling of this year.

So that's now Parkin, Walls, Eade & Bomber.

I thought Eade was very subdued. Perhaps you should listen again.

Eade was knodding.....don't you worry about that :thumbsup:

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 6896

my two cents wrote:

Braithy wrote:

The coach? Or the fact that outside Waite we didn't have another KPF on our list? Which would make it a recruiting/ development issue?

Do you base any points on facts or is it always emotional dribble ? Bower and Thronton could have been played with success if Bower was developed well and Thronton was better managed.

Braithy wrote:

A fulltime VFL coach would've helped no doubt, in the having the kids up to speed with a universal club wide structure and gameplan.

There are definitely areas of concern all throughout the club and Ratten included. I hope the off field stuff gets sorted so the onfield results start bringing flags.

And you still want Ratten to continue ?

Braithy wrote:

One admirable thing Ratten has done this last month. Despite all the front office inefficiency and incompetence, Ratten has the players up and about.

As he must. Nothing exceptional about meeting a core KPI.

Bower is a coward, and Thornton doesn't work hard. Worst gps numbers at the club. These 2 are the epitome of the talent pool Ratten has had to work with.

club29 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:35 pm

Malthouse Roos THompson Clarkson and Horse have all had seasons where things went off the rails mid season similar to Ratts. Ratts has fought back equal equal if not better than any of them in their bad seasons.
The results will tell the story. If we make the eight then that was a nice fightback. If we make a prelim somehow then that is top 4.
If we fail to make the 8 then that was all a nightmare.

Mark J · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:35 pm

Synbad wrote:

Mark J wrote:

Synbad wrote:

David Parkin?
He coached Ratts and is his confidente.

Youre not serious are you???

Look.. i know this is hard for you to comprehend.. but if these people think Ratts os the right person to coach us going forward.. and he is a better coach now than he was last year....they should be calling for him to be baced with another season bolted onto his contract.
Risky move is it???

Why?
Hes better now than when he got his last extension.

Cruelled by injuries

The truth is noone after over 110 games of AFL coaching is convinced.. and theyre all happy to give him another year with a wait and see.

The fact is a huge % of our list has not known another coach and have no clue about any other coac hing methodology.
The fact is we dont have a fingerprint gameplan that defines what we do as extraordinary to what other teams do.
The fact remains that there is scant leadership and player mettle.
And the fact remains we have been unable to beat any quality side in a ding dong fight to the death game ...

We just cruise.. we have our good days we have out bad days...all brought together with a bunch of excuses.

The fact is we have won 1 elimination final in 5 seasons of footy.
The fact is not many are convinced that Ratts can take us forwars and allow us to join the elite teams in the comp.

You might be happy with that... i dunno....

Your best one yet Synners!

The fact is Ratts took over possibly the worst Carlton list in the last 30 years
The fact is that under his tenure we have steadily improved over the last 5 years
The fact is that we were 6 and 1 this season until someone ran over a black cat
The fact is that no matter what level of footy you play; if you loose multiple key position players for any period of time you will struggle
The fact is if you lose any of your main mids for a period of time (co-incidently at the same time as losing your Key pos players) you will struggle
The fact is its alomst impossible to guarantee any consistency over the aforementioned period
The fact is we've managed to beat Collingwood twice, Tigers twice and Bummers once, which would satisfy 99% of Blues fans in a year from hell
The fact is Parkin has coached this club to 4 more flags than you or i, and would have more knowledge in his smallest arsehole hair about the CFC, than you or i (ditto Walls)
The fact is 3 of our last 4 finals have been interstate.....the most difficult environment of all

And the fact is...i reckon you should go and buy a membership and throw your full support behind this great club! :razz:

Thats banana talk.... fact!!! ;p;

Worst list?

An unprecedented amount of number 1 picks plus the best player in the comp.. and a coleman medalist
If Walls and Parkin knew so much about modern day coaching why arent they coaching???

Parkin can let the team coach themselves and Walls can do the huddle again.

Look.. football has changed so much since those two retired it aint funny.

They dont know more than me about modern day coaching cos none of us have modern day coached.

Again these guys telling us how great Ratts is as a coach should also ask for the club to give Ratts more than just a year.....
Just back their man.....

none of this whimpy see how he goes next year bullshit!!!.... cos thats what it is....

:lol:

So your saying Pago Pago left us in good shape then?

I didn't realise 3 no 1's guarenteed overnight success ....ps we got those 3 cause we were shit!!!

They don't know anymore about modern day coaching than you or i, yet earn a living commentating and mixing with those that do

Now i'm laughing louder

:lol:

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:38 pm

Eade and Thompson are ging to say sack Ratts????lol

Just on Walls and Parkin.... they have been sacked too... and ive heard both of them say they were better coaches that year than the year before.

Actually ..... Walls last stint.... he was the guy that had the lid on the Lions talent .. and Mathews came along and lifted it off.

Most people here would think Mathews is a dinosaur ... and he was more of a master coach than Walls... and that wasmore than a decade ago....

Since then we have had the flood the cluster... the press and the spread.....

Stuff that would make Parkin and Walls head spin....

Capper spun Walls head... i think it was.. imagine what the press would have done...

No offence to Walls but he did get taken out rhe back and shot a few times in his career... same with Parko.... Parko in the end gave up and let the players do the coaching... all got too much for him...

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:41 pm

Thanks for the tip MarkJ ... Parko will be our next premiership coach.

1981, 1982, 1995 and ? can you tell me when he's going to win his fourth flag for Carlton.

Or we're you supporting Hawthorn in 1978?

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:43 pm

Pagan passed the baton onto Ratten with three number 1 picks... plus Kennedy....

Thats not a bad start....

Anyway... on those Rats traded one ... and only one of those number 1 picks is showing anything much.

for whatever reason... and 5/5ths of the team has nt played more than 20 games under another coach and has won 1 elim final in over 5 years...

wow!!!

plus this team has never managed to win a hard fought game in a ding dong struggle against any good side...

and it has a history of folding like a house of cards.. when the going gets tough

choo · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:43 pm

Synbad wrote:

If Walls and Parkin knew so much about modern day coaching why arent they coaching??

They dont know more than me about modern day coaching cos none of us have modern day coached.

WOW. just WOW

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7261

Mark J wrote:

Hornet wrote:

We sucked major kahunas well before injuries became the coach's savior

The Pois aside, we've failed miserably (at times) against top 8 teams... we just don't stack up with them tactically

By his own admission, Ratts had no idea about the talent in the seconds and credits injuries for their forced inclusions... meanwhile teams like Geelong seem to blood youngster after youngster

Question: you seem sure we'll end up on 13 wins... would your opinion change if we lose to the Saints with a relatively strong list, and end up on 12 wins?

Still with 25% of our preseason best 22 out;

Jamo
Hendo
Laidler
Warnock
Hampson

plus arguably Bower,Joseph and Russell ( i know they're not best 22, but would've been in the mix at beginning of the year)

Jamo will be back
Hendo & Laidler will be missed
Hammer & Warnock we have covered atm
...the rest - you serious?

We'll go into the Saints game with two players missing important to our structure. A game that will more than likely be for a finals spot against a team that worries us...

Big test for Ratten - no more excuses

choo · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:46 pm

Synbad wrote:

If Walls and Parkin knew so much about modern day coaching why arent they coaching??

Malthouse isn't coaching

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 6896

We'll run right through the saints.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:48 pm

As for Parkin....

He left the club in a good state with his list manageent didnt he???

And one of those premierships... 95 ... he says the players did that... (maybe he thinks coaches arent that important??).. befre that it was 1982.....

1982.. and a shit list management in the late 90s and a flag he admits he didnt coach....in 1995...

Long time ago..... form fours and chequebook signings....

Should have got Quinlan and not Galt we would have won a few more flags.... back in that time.. when you can do that.....

Mark J · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:49 pm

camelboy wrote:

Thanks for the tip MarkJ ... Parko will be our next premiership coach.

1981, 1982, 1995 and ? can you tell me when he's going to win his fourth flag for Carlton.

Or we're you supporting Hawthorn in 1978?

Pehaps he will if he's so thick with Ratts :grin:

BTW - 3 + 1 = 4

1+3=4

4-1=3!!!!

wHOOPS, my bad :hitcomputer:

Hang on...where did i say he's coached us to 4????????

Phew..get out of jail card there. :confused:

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:49 pm

Synbad wrote:

Mark J wrote:

Synbad wrote:

David Parkin?
He coached Ratts and is his confidente.

Youre not serious are you???

Look.. i know this is hard for you to comprehend.. but if these people think Ratts os the right person to coach us going forward.. and he is a better coach now than he was last year....they should be calling for him to be baced with another season bolted onto his contract.
Risky move is it???

Why?
Hes better now than when he got his last extension.

Cruelled by injuries

The truth is noone after over 110 games of AFL coaching is convinced.. and theyre all happy to give him another year with a wait and see.

The fact is a huge % of our list has not known another coach and have no clue about any other coac hing methodology.
The fact is we dont have a fingerprint gameplan that defines what we do as extraordinary to what other teams do.
The fact remains that there is scant leadership and player mettle.
And the fact remains we have been unable to beat any quality side in a ding dong fight to the death game ...

We just cruise.. we have our good days we have out bad days...all brought together with a bunch of excuses.

The fact is we have won 1 elimination final in 5 seasons of footy.
The fact is not many are convinced that Ratts can take us forwars and allow us to join the elite teams in the comp.

You might be happy with that... i dunno....

Your best one yet Synners!

The fact is Ratts took over possibly the worst Carlton list in the last 30 years
The fact is that under his tenure we have steadily improved over the last 5 years
The fact is that we were 6 and 1 this season until someone ran over a black cat
The fact is that no matter what level of footy you play; if you loose multiple key position players for any period of time you will struggle
The fact is if you lose any of your main mids for a period of time (co-incidently at the same time as losing your Key pos players) you will struggle
The fact is its alomst impossible to guarantee any consistency over the aforementioned period
The fact is we've managed to beat Collingwood twice, Tigers twice and Bummers once, which would satisfy 99% of Blues fans in a year from hell
The fact is Parkin has coached this club to 4 more flags than you or i, and would have more knowledge in his smallest arsehole hair about the CFC, than you or i (ditto Walls)
The fact is 3 of our last 4 finals have been interstate.....the most difficult environment of all

And the fact is...i reckon you should go and buy a membership and throw your full support behind this great club! :razz:

Thats banana talk.... fact!!! ;p;

Worst list?

An unprecedented amount of number 1 picks plus the best player in the comp.. and a coleman medalist
If Walls and Parkin knew so much about modern day coaching why arent they coaching???

Parkin can let the team coach themselves and Walls can do the huddle again.

Look.. football has changed so much since those two retired it aint funny.

They dont know more than me about modern day coaching cos none of us have modern day coached.

Again these guys telling us how great Ratts is as a coach should also ask for the club to give Ratts more than just a year.....
Just back their man.....

none of this whimpy see how he goes next year bullshit!!!.... cos thats what it is....

:lol:

3 No 1's and the best player plus

Curnow Touhy Joseph Thornton Carrazzo Garlett Bell Casboult White Ellard Duigan Rowe Okeefe more than a quarter of the list Rookies and players passed over by every club

A little bit of polish with a lot of rough edges

Disappointing season and injuries dont help but need more polish

Mark J · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:50 pm

Hornet wrote:

Mark J wrote:

Hornet wrote:

We sucked major kahunas well before injuries became the coach's savior

The Pois aside, we've failed miserably (at times) against top 8 teams... we just don't stack up with them tactically

By his own admission, Ratts had no idea about the talent in the seconds and credits injuries for their forced inclusions... meanwhile teams like Geelong seem to blood youngster after youngster

Question: you seem sure we'll end up on 13 wins... would your opinion change if we lose to the Saints with a relatively strong list, and end up on 12 wins?

Still with 25% of our preseason best 22 out;

Jamo
Hendo
Laidler
Warnock
Hampson

plus arguably Bower,Joseph and Russell ( i know they're not best 22, but would've been in the mix at beginning of the year)

Jamo will be back
Hendo & Laidler will be missed
Hammer & Warnock we have covered atm
...the rest - you serious?

We'll go into the Saints game with two players missing important to our structure. A game that will more than likely be for a finals spot against a team that worries us...

Big test for Ratten - no more excuses

Read the bit in brackets :wink:

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7261

Braithy wrote:

We'll run right through the saints.

Will you change your opinion if we (without the injury excuse) lose this game?

Blue Laguna · **Joined:** Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:09 pm **Posts:** 35

Braithy wrote:

DocSherrin wrote:

How the !@#$%& do you call 8th/9th close?

Obviously with our injury count, 13 wins is looking more and more like a monumental effort.

I can't see any other AFL team being capable of matching our output this season under the same circumstances.

Depending on how results pan out we could get into the 8 having only beaten one other finalist. 13 wins this year is probably worth less than past seasons given the witches hats that occupy the bottom rungs of the ladder and an accurate reflection on how the season has panned out.

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