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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:42 pm 
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David Parkin?
He coached Ratts and is his confidente.

Youre not serious are you???

Look.. i know this is hard for you to comprehend.. but if these people think Ratts os the right person to coach us going forward.. and he is a better coach now than he was last year....they should be calling for him to be baced with another season bolted onto his contract.
Risky move is it???

Why?
Hes better now than when he got his last extension.

Cruelled by injuries

The truth is noone after over 110 games of AFL coaching is convinced.. and theyre all happy to give him another year with a wait and see.

The fact is a huge % of our list has not known another coach and have no clue about any other coac hing methodology.
The fact is we dont have a fingerprint gameplan that defines what we do as extraordinary to what other teams do.
The fact remains that there is scant leadership and player mettle.
And the fact remains we have been unable to beat any quality side in a ding dong fight to the death game ...

We just cruise.. we have our good days we have out bad days...all brought together with a bunch of excuses.

The fact is we have won 1 elimination final in 5 seasons of footy.
The fact is not many are convinced that Ratts can take us forwars and allow us to join the elite teams in the comp.

You might be happy with that... i dunno....

Another post full of non facts and just opinion...remember anyone can have an opinon, but you dont need to know anything to have one.

I will take David Parkins endorsement over the opinions of a bloke by his own admission has had nothing to do officially with any football club, has not had any volunterr role with a football club and is in fact a dancer by profession.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:52 pm 
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Will Parko put Ratts forward for the Port job if he is sacked from Carlton?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:55 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
Synbad wrote:
David Parkin?
He coached Ratts and is his confidente.

Youre not serious are you???

Look.. i know this is hard for you to comprehend.. but if these people think Ratts os the right person to coach us going forward.. and he is a better coach now than he was last year....they should be calling for him to be baced with another season bolted onto his contract.
Risky move is it???

Why?
Hes better now than when he got his last extension.

Cruelled by injuries

The truth is noone after over 110 games of AFL coaching is convinced.. and theyre all happy to give him another year with a wait and see.

The fact is a huge % of our list has not known another coach and have no clue about any other coac hing methodology.
The fact is we dont have a fingerprint gameplan that defines what we do as extraordinary to what other teams do.
The fact remains that there is scant leadership and player mettle.
And the fact remains we have been unable to beat any quality side in a ding dong fight to the death game ...

We just cruise.. we have our good days we have out bad days...all brought together with a bunch of excuses.

The fact is we have won 1 elimination final in 5 seasons of footy.
The fact is not many are convinced that Ratts can take us forwars and allow us to join the elite teams in the comp.

You might be happy with that... i dunno....

Another post full of non facts and just opinion...remember anyone can have an opinon, but you dont need to know anything to have one.

I will take David Parkins endorsement over the opinions of a bloke by his own admission has had nothing to do officially with any football club, has not had any volunterr role with a football club and is in fact a dancer by profession.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. :lol:


Explain why Parkin's opinion again bazbaz??

Again... if Parkin endorses Ratten why doesnt he call out for a years extention???

Just to make up for this year that was curbed by injuries.


Why stop at a single season.. if they think hes better than he was last season and he got an extension.

Anyway. the whole thing is mute... they can go down to the cellar and find all these skeletons and relics from the past ... ultimately... Ratts is pushing shit up hill.. all these relics are doing is muddying the waters ...
They arent on the board..... and they wont be making that decision.
theyre just making the whole thing more difficult.

They should come in here as supporters and debate it with us.... in a forum
Pointing to the club what it should do in the media is pretty silly..... Parkin is not an independent.
He has coached Ratten.
He is his mentor
And he works for the AFL .

For Braithy... Ratten if he is a better coach now than ever before should be backed.
He was give TWO years one of which was broken down by injuries.. outside of that according to you hes been a marvelous coach... so why not back him???

Its a wait and see 5 / 6 years in isnt it???(for the 6/ and 7th year....)
Not glowing is it????

Regardless... im expecting him to be moved on... he might get a job around the club...they will find something for him im sure

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:56 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
Will Parko put Ratts forward for the Port job if he is sacked from Carlton?


He probably would think highly enough of him to do that...just my opinion.

But lets be clear here. Ratten will retain his job. Put it in the bank :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:57 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
Synbad wrote:
David Parkin?
He coached Ratts and is his confidente.

Youre not serious are you???

Look.. i know this is hard for you to comprehend.. but if these people think Ratts os the right person to coach us going forward.. and he is a better coach now than he was last year....they should be calling for him to be baced with another season bolted onto his contract.
Risky move is it???

Why?
Hes better now than when he got his last extension.

Cruelled by injuries

The truth is noone after over 110 games of AFL coaching is convinced.. and theyre all happy to give him another year with a wait and see.

The fact is a huge % of our list has not known another coach and have no clue about any other coac hing methodology.
The fact is we dont have a fingerprint gameplan that defines what we do as extraordinary to what other teams do.
The fact remains that there is scant leadership and player mettle.
And the fact remains we have been unable to beat any quality side in a ding dong fight to the death game ...

We just cruise.. we have our good days we have out bad days...all brought together with a bunch of excuses.

The fact is we have won 1 elimination final in 5 seasons of footy.
The fact is not many are convinced that Ratts can take us forwars and allow us to join the elite teams in the comp.

You might be happy with that... i dunno....

Another post full of non facts and just opinion...remember anyone can have an opinon, but you dont need to know anything to have one.

I will take David Parkins endorsement over the opinions of a bloke by his own admission has had nothing to do officially with any football club, has not had any volunterr role with a football club and is in fact a dancer by profession.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. :lol:


What kind of person takes as an objective endorsement, praise from a good friend? Parkin loves Ratten. He's his mate, his mentor. Ratten was his premiership centreman. They are very close, and understandably so.

To take parkin's word as the objective analysis of an experienced ex-coach only, is staggeringly naive.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:04 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
Synbad wrote:
David Parkin?
He coached Ratts and is his confidente.

Youre not serious are you???

Look.. i know this is hard for you to comprehend.. but if these people think Ratts os the right person to coach us going forward.. and he is a better coach now than he was last year....they should be calling for him to be baced with another season bolted onto his contract.
Risky move is it???

Why?
Hes better now than when he got his last extension.

Cruelled by injuries

The truth is noone after over 110 games of AFL coaching is convinced.. and theyre all happy to give him another year with a wait and see.

The fact is a huge % of our list has not known another coach and have no clue about any other coac hing methodology.
The fact is we dont have a fingerprint gameplan that defines what we do as extraordinary to what other teams do.
The fact remains that there is scant leadership and player mettle.
And the fact remains we have been unable to beat any quality side in a ding dong fight to the death game ...

We just cruise.. we have our good days we have out bad days...all brought together with a bunch of excuses.

The fact is we have won 1 elimination final in 5 seasons of footy.
The fact is not many are convinced that Ratts can take us forwars and allow us to join the elite teams in the comp.

You might be happy with that... i dunno....

Another post full of non facts and just opinion...remember anyone can have an opinon, but you dont need to know anything to have one.

I will take David Parkins endorsement over the opinions of a bloke by his own admission has had nothing to do officially with any football club, has not had any volunterr role with a football club and is in fact a dancer by profession.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. :lol:


What kind of person takes as an objective endorsement, praise from a good friend? Parkin loves Ratten. He's his mate, his mentor. Ratten was his premiership centreman. They are very close, and understandably so.

To take parkin's word as the objective analysis of an experienced ex-coach only, is staggeringly naive.

Walls has been saying the same thing,so he is thick as well.Boy this is just about the pits.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:11 pm 
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Oh, so one minute walls is a loony old commentator who changes his opinion as often as he changes his underwear, but when he says something you agree with, he's a font of wisdom :lol:

Do we really want to play the 'dumb wrong stuff Robert walls the commentator has said over the last decade' game?

Believe me, you don't.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:21 pm 
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On 360 Eade and Bomber both sung about Ratts improvement and handling of this year.

So that's now Parkin, Walls, Eade & Bomber.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:21 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
Oh, so one minute walls is a loony old commentator who changes his opinion as often as he changes his underwear, but when he says something you agree with, he's a font of wisdom :lol:

Do we really want to play the 'dumb wrong stuff Robert walls the commentator has said over the last decade' game?

Believe me, you don't.


Cant see your point at all. So is what Walls said, in your opinion, what you have written above? :grin:

So here is your opportunity big boy....post your CV :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:24 pm 
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I have never said walls was a looney,never.
Just stating the facts not fiction


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:29 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
...The team we rolled out against the dogs and tigers was easily far worse than WCE or the Pies' worst team they've ran out this year...


That's not really the point...

Braithy wrote:
Judd made a comment recently about how their whole structure revolves around Waite being able to take a contested mark or at the minimum create a contest. It allows them to spread quickly, get players behind the ball and get out running. Not many teams can take us down when we're out running with numbers behind the ball.

Now sure, can the strategy and Ratten for coming up with a plan revolving around one man, with no real legitimate back up man should Waite go down. But when Waite is in the side, we're a 5-10 goal better team it seems.

Also. No surprise we've been a much better team since Casboult provided what Hampson, Knackers and Kreuz can't when they're up forward.


This is the point.

Whether other teams' injuries have been lesser or worse than ours doesn't really matter, what matters is that they seem to have been coached better through the periods where they've been badly affected by their injuries. Whether that is due to better structures, better education of the players or a better game plan is debatable.

I acknowledge a lot of our Northern Blues players were injured mid-season as well so there wasn't a lot of cattle to bring in, but a recurring pattern over recent years has been an apparent lack of strategy at playing our kids, unless you count in for one, out for one, in for one etc as a strategy. I know it's not always as simple as us supporters make it out to be, but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to bring a young kid in only to omit him the next week.

To me, all those issues centre around the senior coach.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:43 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
On 360 Eade and Bomber both sung about Ratts improvement and handling of this year.

So that's now Parkin, Walls, Eade & Bomber.


All good.

Bottom line is if North beat Freo we should make the finals, that is when Ratts should be judged against quality opposition on the big stage, with a list healthier than we took to Perth last year.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:46 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
Ratts should be judged against quality opposition on the big stage, with a list healthier than we took to Perth last year.


Let's hope so. Fingers crossed for no more injuries and Jamo to return.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:46 pm 
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As soon as I saw the endorsement, I knew it would be fun in here tonight.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:55 pm 
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Camelboy,

The coach? Or the fact that outside Waite we didn't have another KPF on our list? Which would make it a recruiting/ development issue?

A fulltime VFL coach would've helped no doubt, in the having the kids up to speed with a universal club wide structure and gameplan.

There are definitely areas of concern all throughout the club and Ratten included. I hope the off field stuff gets sorted so the onfield results start bringing flags.

One admirable thing Ratten has done this last month. Despite all the front office inefficiency and incompetence, Ratten has the players up and about.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:09 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
On 360 Eade and Bomber both sung about Ratts improvement and handling of this year.

So that's now Parkin, Walls, Eade & Bomber.


Surely you cannot be that naive ?
Coaches, ex coaches never pot one of their own in public.
One of the reasons why Grant Thomas is refreshing on FC because he tells as it is.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:14 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
David Parkin?
He coached Ratts and is his confidente.

Youre not serious are you???

Look.. i know this is hard for you to comprehend.. but if these people think Ratts os the right person to coach us going forward.. and he is a better coach now than he was last year....they should be calling for him to be baced with another season bolted onto his contract.
Risky move is it???

Why?
Hes better now than when he got his last extension.

Cruelled by injuries

The truth is noone after over 110 games of AFL coaching is convinced.. and theyre all happy to give him another year with a wait and see.

The fact is a huge % of our list has not known another coach and have no clue about any other coac hing methodology.
The fact is we dont have a fingerprint gameplan that defines what we do as extraordinary to what other teams do.
The fact remains that there is scant leadership and player mettle.
And the fact remains we have been unable to beat any quality side in a ding dong fight to the death game ...

We just cruise.. we have our good days we have out bad days...all brought together with a bunch of excuses.

The fact is we have won 1 elimination final in 5 seasons of footy.
The fact is not many are convinced that Ratts can take us forwars and allow us to join the elite teams in the comp.

You might be happy with that... i dunno....


Your best one yet Synners!

The fact is Ratts took over possibly the worst Carlton list in the last 30 years
The fact is that under his tenure we have steadily improved over the last 5 years
The fact is that we were 6 and 1 this season until someone ran over a black cat
The fact is that no matter what level of footy you play; if you loose multiple key position players for any period of time you will struggle
The fact is if you lose any of your main mids for a period of time (co-incidently at the same time as losing your Key pos players) you will struggle
The fact is its alomst impossible to guarantee any consistency over the aforementioned period
The fact is we've managed to beat Collingwood twice, Tigers twice and Bummers once, which would satisfy 99% of Blues fans in a year from hell
The fact is Parkin has coached this club to 4 more flags than you or i, and would have more knowledge in his smallest arsehole hair about the CFC, than you or i (ditto Walls)
The fact is 3 of our last 4 finals have been interstate.....the most difficult environment of all

And the fact is...i reckon you should go and buy a membership and throw your full support behind this great club! :razz:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:20 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
The coach? Or the fact that outside Waite we didn't have another KPF on our list? Which would make it a recruiting/ development issue?


Do you base any points on facts or is it always emotional dribble ? Bower and Thronton could have been played with success if Bower was developed well and Thronton was better managed.

Braithy wrote:
A fulltime VFL coach would've helped no doubt, in the having the kids up to speed with a universal club wide structure and gameplan.


There are definitely areas of concern all throughout the club and Ratten included. I hope the off field stuff gets sorted so the onfield results start bringing flags.


And you still want Ratten to continue ?

Braithy wrote:
One admirable thing Ratten has done this last month. Despite all the front office inefficiency and incompetence, Ratten has the players up and about.


As he must. Nothing exceptional about meeting a core KPI.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:21 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:

How the !@#$%& do you call 8th/9th close?




Obviously with our injury count, 13 wins is looking more and more like a monumental effort.

I can't see any other AFL team being capable of matching our output this season under the same circumstances.

We sucked major kahunas well before injuries became the coach's savior

The Pois aside, we've failed miserably (at times) against top 8 teams... we just don't stack up with them tactically

By his own admission, Ratts had no idea about the talent in the seconds and credits injuries for their forced inclusions... meanwhile teams like Geelong seem to blood youngster after youngster

Question: you seem sure we'll end up on 13 wins... would your opinion change if we lose to the Saints with a relatively strong list, and end up on 12 wins?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:24 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
On 360 Eade and Bomber both sung about Ratts improvement and handling of this year.

So that's now Parkin, Walls, Eade & Bomber.


I thought Eade was very subdued. Perhaps you should listen again.

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