The argument is much bigger than Ratten playing 3 rucks. That was just an example.

Does it matter where he played them? 3 guys, pure ruckmen all, all in the same team. At a time where 1.5 rucks was what was working in the game.

Doesn't seem like smart coaching to me.

But yeah, I've made up my mind on Ratten. You're rightt there 29.

But you say that like its a bad thing to have a fully formed opinion on a guy who's been a senior coach for 5 seasons!! 5 years! That's a long time.

What... We should give people 8 years in a job before assessing them?

You guys would make great bosses. Job for life.

That is good recruitment and sustained development. One we are resonable at, second (development) which we do very badly and which Ratten heads.


Fact is after 5 years Ratten's best finish is well below that of Grant Thomas. And most rate Thomas as a poor coach.

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Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.

I'm fickle and therefore prone to shifting positions but to those pushing the Ratts must stay bandwagon I have one question?

What if Ratts stays next year and we don't win the flag?

He's then at the end of his contract and has had six years without a flag.

Should he get another contract?

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Where do we finish next year?
Top 4, Preliminary, GrandFinalists or just finalists?

There's no hard or fast rule, how can there be.?

If you'd asked me at the start of this year we'd be fighting for 8th-11th place (without knowing the circumstances through the year) I'd have said fire his ar5e.

Now I say review his position and replace or keep him based on the outcome of the review PLUS the ramifications of changing to an alternative.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

But if he gets another contract it's for 2-3 years which takes him to 8-9 years at which point he's one of the longest serving coaches in our club's history.

How long can we afford to have him coach without the ultimate success?

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Struth, I hope Bear gets the memo...

Naturally there's a cut off, but you won't know it till you see it.

Eddie saw it a year before he decided to give Mick the flick, and he was wrong.

That was about 10 or so years wasn't.?

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I hope Essendon* folds.

My position is honor his contract for 2013. If we can't mix it with the very best next year and there's a decent replacement available, he goes. But don't dump him after one step back in 2012. Especially not for Malthouse.

Maybe we should reward Ratts.
Good coach.
some injuries killed things.

Add another season and allow him to get the job done?
We dont wanna have a foot on either side of the fence..... were sure he can do the job.

Its been over 5 years...and hes a better coach now than 12 months ago

Let him finish the job.

a one year extension.

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Has someone hacked your account Synners?

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Carlton. Yes, Carlton are into the grand final!!!
- Drew Morphett, after 1999 prelim final

Though more likely :

I hate women who wear Tee-shirts with so much small writing on them it looks like you're perving. If they don't like you looking at their chests they shouldn't have writing there. That way if you get caught looking at them it's only for one reason. I get caught out all the time. Writing or not.

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Yeah, what Blue Sombrero said..........

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The problem with Socialism is, you eventually run out of other people's money.

The extension to that is many believe this is our Geelong 06, that means it is flag or bust next year for Ratts.

Why would you give Ratten only one season.?
Means youre not really convinced and hedging your bets.
Seriously if after FIVE YEARS.. Ratts gets one season when he is a BETTER coach now... and players are PLAYING for Ratts...you must give him an extra one.

Not sure why people are not agreeing with this and are happy to give him one season only.

Unconvinced he is the right coach?(So he only gets one.. in case.........)

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In light of the injury list this season, and given that Ratten declared we'd finish top 4. imo, there's nothing wrong with him finishing out his contract with no promise of an extension.

I'd hardly say that the talk of if he's getting fired or not this season has derailed him, taken his mind away from the job at hand. If anything the last 5-6 weeks has given him and the players a bit of a FYM and steely resolve.



I'd say given a decent run of health/ injuries, top 3 or 4 finish.

It's ludicrous to give any coach with any list an ultimatum of win a grand final or your gone. Isn't it?

I mean our list has questions. It's not like we're head and shoulders above the rest of the AFL like Geelong were when they nearly went undefeated, or Brisbane's list in their Fab-4 days?!!

Maybe the AFL can schedule us to play GWS, GC and Melbourne twice each next year. Throw in the Doggies aswell. They seem to not mind propping up other teams into the Top 4.

What happens if Waite and Jamo are injured and we get a more injuries and suffer the dreaded injury curse??

Nah, should be backed all the way.... or not at all.

Either youre confident with him as our coach or not??

Is he the right man for the job or are we playing a game of wait and see five years on?

Has he achieved enough with his list to allow full confidence in our man???

Why just a year

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