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kingkerna
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:31 pm 
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Those who are salivating due to recent victories over sub-standard opposition need to step back for a moment.

Under Ratten we've become the ultimate flat track bullies... plan A is brilliant when the opposition allow us to play it, see. Pois

but, we've come up short when put under the sword by finals bound teams. Our structures totally collapse and we have no answers... in all honesty, this is something that needs to be seen live to be fully appreciated as I believe the TV flatters our loses.

Ratten is learning, yes he is... but the players are getting older... patience ehh?

I thought collingwood were finals bound, as were esendon until they met us.

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kingkerna wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Those who are salivating due to recent victories over sub-standard opposition need to step back for a moment.

Under Ratten we've become the ultimate flat track bullies... plan A is brilliant when the opposition allow us to play it, see. Pois

but, we've come up short when put under the sword by finals bound teams. Our structures totally collapse and we have no answers... in all honesty, this is something that needs to be seen live to be fully appreciated as I believe the TV flatters our loses.

Ratten is learning, yes he is... but the players are getting older... patience ehh?

I thought collingwood were finals bound, as were esendon until they met us.

Swans and Hawks were too when they met the tigers....

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Any particular reason a couple of board members sat in the coach's box yesterday & previous couple of weeks?

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Didn't MM coach the dogs for an extended period without success?


That's where it all started, yes.

Im pretty sure when Ratts goes.. another club will pick him up too.. he will win 2 flags with them.. and go off to yet another club and in the next 20 seasons he will be a 3 times flag coach...

Im sure other clubs are circling as we speak......

I like clubs point about keeping him another year... in case Roos changes his mind and we have more options.... :lol:

This place cracks me up........ :grin: :grin:

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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Any particular reason a couple of board members sat in the coach's box yesterday & previous couple of weeks?

You'd surely know by now after 5 years whether he's the coach to take us forward or not ?
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Synbad
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Rexy wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
Any particular reason a couple of board members sat in the coach's box yesterday & previous couple of weeks?

You'd surely know by now after 5 years whether he's the coach to take us forward or not ?


Nah, in more than 5 years with one eliminational finals victory under his belt.. they can ask the other box sitter. ... Edlestein....

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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Any particular reason a couple of board members sat in the coach's box yesterday & previous couple of weeks?


Cheap seats

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mots wrote:
I wonder if Ratts knows the outcome already. He seems more relaxed in the coaches box from the few times I have seen on the TV.
He may know that he is safe for next year or gone no matter what.



Likely he knows his fate by now I'd say.

If MM has been approached they have either offered him the job already or decided to stick with Ratts. Simple. No middle ground. Can't keep a guy like MM hanging to wait and see how Ratts finishes off the season. MM would want to know either way.

For me the decision has already been made...rightly or wrongly. The rest of us just need to wait a few weeks before we find out what the decision is.

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Synbad
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I dont even agree with board members in his coaches box.

It reminds me of Kerr being runner today...... just pathetic....

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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Any particular reason a couple of board members sat in the coach's box yesterday & previous couple of weeks?


Obviously the "board members" that are pushing to remove Ratten and wanting ammunition........wonder how that went.
They sound and look like some supporters in here!


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Synbad wrote:
I dont even agree with board members in his coaches box.

It reminds me of Kerr being runner today...... just pathetic....



Why (re Kerr)?

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I think your right there Kots.
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cimm1979
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Any particular reason a couple of board members sat in the coach's box yesterday & previous couple of weeks?


I'm not sure OR.

I thought there had been some controversy over Doc Eddles in there a couple of months ago but it had been explained as part of a special membership package. $10k a year or something, get's you some perks, one of them being a match in the coaches box..

Is it possible the board members are part of that.?

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aerodyte wrote:
Didn't MM get replaced by Buckely because in 2009 an impatient board and faction of supporters didn't believe he would ever deliver a premiership?

All dogs have 4 legs.
This animal has 4 legs.
Therefore this animal is a dog.

Sounds logical. Falls down but, cos this animal is my cat.

There ya go!!

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Synbad wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
padre wrote:
Didn't MM coach the dogs for an extended period without success?


That's where it all started, yes.

Im pretty sure when Ratts goes.. another club will pick him up too.. he will win 2 flags with them.. and go off to yet another club and in the next 20 seasons he will be a 3 times flag coach...

Im sure other clubs are circling as we speak......

I like clubs point about keeping him another year... in case Roos changes his mind and we have more options.... :lol:

This place cracks me up........ :grin: :grin:

Malt house took a foots ray side bereft of resources to a prelim and got within a kick of a granny. If rates had done that after 5 seasons I would agree with you. Sadly there is no comparison between ratts at Carlton and mm at foots ray
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Synbad wrote:
It reminds me of Kerr being runner today...... just pathetic....


I know it's harder for you to find fault when we win but you're getting desperate with this one Synners.

What possible issue could you have with using a player as a runner.?

He may have asked to do it, it gives him something to do and keep's him in the group.

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I can understand, (but don't agree), that some people want to end Ratt's tenure.

I cannot understand "presentation in the media" being part of their case when they then say
that Malthouse is the man. Surly so and so was a disgraceful representative of his club
when in front of the cameras. Not only was he cantankerous, but when cornered he showed
he was prepared to outright lie, (unless you really believe he never called Milne a wapist).
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aerodyte
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moshe25 wrote:
aerodyte wrote:
Didn't MM get replaced by Buckely because in 2009 an impatient board and faction of supporters didn't believe he would ever deliver a premiership?

All dogs have 4 legs.
This animal has 4 legs.
Therefore this animal is a dog.

Sounds logical. Falls down but, cos this animal is my cat.

There ya go!!


I know what an association fallacy looks like.
Problem is, I posed it as a question of fact. You added the 'therefore Ratts will coach us to a premiership' yourself, and then knocked it down.
I think they call that a strawman :wink:
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my two cents
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Braithy wrote:
Lets look at the best coaches of the AFL of the last 3 decades. winning flags is the measurable yardstick we'll use.

Leigh Matthews
Bomber
Parkin
Malthouse
Sheedy
Choc Williams

What were their records after 5 years? How many of them took over a team which'd won 2 of the previous 3 spoons?


I like how you conveniently forget Clarkson in the 5 year comparison. How does Ratten's best finish in 5 years compare with Clarkson, MM @ Collingwood circa 2000, and Grant Thomas ? I pick these 3 coaches as their list situation was roughly similar to what Ratten inherited. Clarkson won a premiership in year 4, MM lost a close grand final, even Grant Thomas the butt of many jokes for his lack of coaching skills had St K in a PF or two (IIRC).

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