Board split on ratten??

The_Wookie · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:52 am **Posts:** 1198

AFL 360 - Brett Ratten Discussion

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Cazzesman · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:45 am

Ockham's Razor wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

"If" the board have indeed made such a decision at this time, than they should all stand down immediately!
I have supported them until now but with us still a possibility to make finals, this side track discussion is not what we need.
I hope the so called inner sanctum posters are wrong.

Surrey

I assume you're joking or taking the p1ss

Any responsible management team can and does plan for now and the future. I'd be more worried if the board hadn't contemplated what's going to happen next year

Regards

OR

Stick 12 people in a room to discuss any issue and you are bound to get robust debate, division and hopefully a democratic outcome based on the weight of all the known facts. I recently spent 2 days at a work 'love in' and there were many raised voices and threats of bodily violence. :eek:

But in the end the issues were worked through and a consensus reached amicably.

Sounds alot like a Jury system really :grin:

. Not unlike TC as well. And not unlike Recruitment meetings. :thumbsup:

The main result must be that whatever is decided, that every Board member must except the verdict and lend their full support to whomever is Coaching in 2013.

The Democratic Vote stands and it is 'One in, All in" solidarity for the announcement. Boards will fail when the loser of the argument wants to air dirty laundry about the decision making process thereafter.

Regards Cazzesman

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23931

The Board has a lot of power doesn't it.

When do we get a say about who is on the board?

Is it a good idea to have an advisory panel as part of any coach hiring or firing protocol?

Having some outside points of view might be a good thing?

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 6460

Cazzesman wrote:

keogh wrote:

Another example of a dysfunctional organisation.
Get broom out

What example is that? A journalist making stuff up? How is that the Clubs fault?

@#$% me, if your cat died you would blame Sticks and Ratten.

Regards Cazzesman

Come on Cazz
The clubs rooted until Sticks departs

Our record over the last ten years is terrible

Just when you thought it couldnt get any worse the reserves coach is a school principal
He then flowers off when Ratten overrides him

Hilarious Such a professional outfit arnt we

You are one of the guys on this site who has stuck up for Ratten

If he gets the chop will you disagree with the club or are you like our esteemed Pres who has no real opinion about anything and just goes along with whats going along

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:05 am

keogh wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

keogh wrote:

Another example of a dysfunctional organisation.
Get broom out

What example is that? A journalist making stuff up? How is that the Clubs fault?

@#$% me, if your cat died you would blame Sticks and Ratten.

Regards Cazzesman

You are one of the guys on this site who has stuck up for Ratten

If he gets the chop will you disagree with the club or are you like our esteemed Pres who has no real opinion about anything and just goes along with whats going along

I'm in no position to decide who goes and who stays so I will support whomever is in the chair. That's what paid staff should do. if you aren't going to support your leaders then go and work elsewhere. The working world is full of employees who dig away at the foundations because it is easy to do. It is always easy to be a better boss than the Boss, with all care and no responsibility.

I don't have enough information to make an informed decision so I am happy to leave it to those who do. Whether I agree or disagree with any appointment it won't affect how I go about my role.

Regards Cazzesman

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:07 am

You're a pro Cazz!!!

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 6460

But your The Cazzeman
Your on "an unofficial website"
You can voice your own opinion

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:11 am

keogh wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

keogh wrote:

Another example of a dysfunctional organisation.
Get broom out

What example is that? A journalist making stuff up? How is that the Clubs fault?

@#$% me, if your cat died you would blame Sticks and Ratten.

Regards Cazzesman

Come on Cazz
The clubs rooted until Sticks departs

Our record over the last ten years is terrible

Just when you thought it couldnt get any worse the reserves coach is a school principal
He then !@#$%& off when Ratten overrides him

Hilarious Such a professional outfit arnt we

You are one of the guys on this site who has stuck up for Ratten

If he gets the chop will you disagree with the club or are you like our esteemed Pres who has no real opinion about anything and just goes along with whats going along

I'd actually prefer he didn't come out & have his own vent or opinion or whatever it is you're implying

You're talking about professionalism, so surely you wouldn't expect professional employees to bag the coach on a bulletin board for every troll junior reporter to seize on.

Caz might *secretly* think that Dean Bailey should be coach.
Who knows!
But he's smart enough to say that it's not his job/ area of expertise to comment on.

That's the professionalism that everyone wants, yeah?

Sometimes I wonder whether the people who want to argue with Caz realize that.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:16 am

They'd rather bait him for doing his job in a responsible manner.

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 6460

Well Cazz good to see people sticking up for you

Iam seeing Joe Bonamassa in Oct
I assume you are as well
Maybe we can have a beer in the foyer before the show and wax lyric about the coach whoever it might be

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

If Ratten is kept and wins a flag no one will be happier than I will. Great player, great bloke.

IMO though based on what I have seen I just cant see it happening BUT I have been wrong before! :yikes:

I doesn't matter who coaches the next premiership. Most of the comments on here wont be able to be proved either way. :wink:

Pafloyul · **Joined:** Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:15 pm **Posts:** 4842

ThePsychologist wrote:

If Ratten is kept and wins a flag no one will be happier than I will. Great player, great bloke.

IMO though based on what I have seen I just cant see it happening BUT I have been wrong before! :yikes:

I doesn't matter who coaches the next premiership. Most of the comments on here wont be able to be proved either way. :wink:

That's the thing, who's to judge what amounts to success? All the talk of Malthouse's record being overrated and yet if he were a Carlton coach, we'd be singing his praises. That's not to say that appointing a coach in his sixties would be ideal.

aramari · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:47 am

keogh wrote:

But your The Cazzeman
Your on "an unofficial website"
You can voice your own opinion

You're smarter than that Keogh :lol:

I may disagree with Cazzesman at times, but there's no doubt he's correct when he says he should stay away from public pronouncements regarding the club. In fact I think he sometimes gets too involved in the argy-bargy on TC for an employee of the club.

Blueboy74 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:48 am

Mick turns 59 today.....

....just sounds younger than "in his sixties" :razz:

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Cazzesman wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

"If" the board have indeed made such a decision at this time, than they should all stand down immediately!
I have supported them until now but with us still a possibility to make finals, this side track discussion is not what we need.
I hope the so called inner sanctum posters are wrong.

Surrey

I assume you're joking or taking the p1ss

Any responsible management team can and does plan for now and the future. I'd be more worried if the board hadn't contemplated what's going to happen next year

Regards

OR

Stick 12 people in a room to discuss any issue and you are bound to get robust debate, division and hopefully a democratic outcome based on the weight of all the known facts. I recently spent 2 days at a work 'love in' and there were many raised voices and threats of bodily violence. :eek:

But in the end the issues were worked through and a consensus reached amicably.

Sounds alot like a Jury system really :grin:

. Not unlike TC as well. And not unlike Recruitment meetings. :thumbsup:

The main result must be that whatever is decided, that every Board member must except the verdict and lend their full support to whomever is Coaching in 2013.

The Democratic Vote stands and it is 'One in, All in" solidarity for the announcement. Boards will fail when the loser of the argument wants to air dirty laundry about the decision making process thereafter.

Regards Cazzesman

The democratic vote? Worked well with our government.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:03 pm

keogh wrote:

But your The Cazzeman
Your on "an unofficial website"
You can voice your own opinion

No he can't.

That's not me as an admin of TC saying that. That's me as a rational human being saying Cazzesman's position at the club would be untenable if he publicly expressed discontent at some decisions the club may make; the appointment of the coach clearly being one of those.

I'm sure the club wouldn't really care if Cazzesman said he didn't like the team wearing away jumpers, for example, but there is definitely a line as to what would be acceptable and what wouldn't.

I think any reasonable person should be willing and able to understand and accept that.

:beer:

Anencephalic · **Joined:** Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:23 pm **Posts:** 512

Cazzesman wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

"If" the board have indeed made such a decision at this time, than they should all stand down immediately!
I have supported them until now but with us still a possibility to make finals, this side track discussion is not what we need.
I hope the so called inner sanctum posters are wrong.

Surrey

I assume you're joking or taking the p1ss

Any responsible management team can and does plan for now and the future. I'd be more worried if the board hadn't contemplated what's going to happen next year

Regards

OR

Stick 12 people in a room to discuss any issue and you are bound to get robust debate, division and hopefully a democratic outcome based on the weight of all the known facts. I recently spent 2 days at a work 'love in' and there were many raised voices and threats of bodily violence. :eek:

But in the end the issues were worked through and a consensus reached amicably.

Sounds alot like a Jury system really :grin:

. Not unlike TC as well. And not unlike Recruitment meetings. :thumbsup:

The main result must be that whatever is decided, that every Board member must except the verdict and lend their full support to whomever is Coaching in 2013.

The Democratic Vote stands and it is 'One in, All in" solidarity for the announcement. Boards will fail when the loser of the argument wants to air dirty laundry about the decision making process thereafter.

Regards Cazzesman

Benefit of Jedi Mind Tricks:

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keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 6460

camelboy wrote:

keogh wrote:

But your The Cazzeman
Your on "an unofficial website"
You can voice your own opinion

No he can't.

That's not me as an admin of TC saying that. That's me as a rational human being saying Cazzesman's position at the club would be untenable if he publicly expressed discontent at some decisions the club may make; the appointment of the coach clearly being one of those.

I'm sure the club wouldn't really care if Cazzesman said he didn't like the team wearing away jumpers, for example, but there is definitely a line as to what would be acceptable and what wouldn't.

I think any reasonable person should be willing and able to understand and accept that.

:beer:

Which Camel Boy goes a long way to explain that any organisation which is rotten at the top is going to tread water or go backwards

Freddy47 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:17 pm **Posts:** 275

camelboy wrote:

keogh wrote:

But your The Cazzeman
Your on "an unofficial website"
You can voice your own opinion

No he can't.

That's not me as an admin of TC saying that. That's me as a rational human being saying Cazzesman's position at the club would be untenable if he publicly expressed discontent at some decisions the club may make; the appointment of the coach clearly being one of those.

I'm sure the club wouldn't really care if Cazzesman said he didn't like the team wearing away jumpers, for example, but there is definitely a line as to what would be acceptable and what wouldn't.

I think any reasonable person should be willing and able to understand and accept that.

:beer:

As an ex-official this is an extremely difficult position to be in. To Cazzesman's credit he posts regularly, has an opinion and comments where he deems fit. I took a different approach of not posting a lot (although sometimes I felt I should), and when I did post, it was either to communicate information I felt should be in the public arena or to correct misinformation. As camelboy has stated, as an official you should not express “discontent at some decisions the club may make” on social media if you want to continue in your role at the club.

By the way, I know of at least one other official who is a member of this site.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:44 pm

keogh wrote:

camelboy wrote:

keogh wrote:

But your The Cazzeman
Your on "an unofficial website"
You can voice your own opinion

No he can't.

That's not me as an admin of TC saying that. That's me as a rational human being saying Cazzesman's position at the club would be untenable if he publicly expressed discontent at some decisions the club may make; the appointment of the coach clearly being one of those.

I'm sure the club wouldn't really care if Cazzesman said he didn't like the team wearing away jumpers, for example, but there is definitely a line as to what would be acceptable and what wouldn't.

I think any reasonable person should be willing and able to understand and accept that.

:beer:

Which Camel Boy goes a long way to explain that any organisation which is rotten at the top is going to tread water or go backwards

WTF?

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