I feel for ratten if I was him I would just step down . Stuff working your butt off for another few weeks. Get paid to do nothing for a few weeks and next season . He is gone in a few weeks. No one can deny he is a good bloke and club champion but he is just incapable of taking the list further . All the best ratts!

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He may have made it up but he may not be far off the mark
The entire AFL football community is split on if Ratts should stay or go - Now if you had a board of 3-4 people to come out and say the board is split is a brave statement but when you have 11 or 12 like carlton has there is a fair chance that a few mighten think that Ratts is the right man to take us forward .
If I remember Pratt said to all the board members go out and bring x amount of $ to the club . Most of these board members are influential business people and most likely went out on the promise that we were on the improve and encouraged dollars into the club. If people put in money they usually want something in return ( like a seat at finals for their guest) If that return is not forth coming then maybe there is some people on the board who want to see Ratts move on .

Same applies with Swan - he is a CEO - They live and die by the companies finances their entire future job prospects are governed by how financially successful the last organisation they work for was.
Making the finals and winning games make that job a lot easier


So the Journo made a broad statement that would be easy to do knowing there would be no recriminations

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There's a golden rule when you're a senior executive on a contract, and that rule is: you never quit. You have to make them sack you. Costs you a fortune otherwise.

One of the most influential players in the league?

For a quarter maybe. Then what? (See last year's GF, and any number of lesser games.)

Most overrated more like. He can be very good in patches, I do agree. And yes, he's strong and can take pack marks like few others. At his best he's almost unstoppable. But like a 40yo virgin his best doesn't last very long. Too often he fades out of games and if he's not brilliant he's just an overpaid spud.

If he was able to play at his best, consistently, for even half a game week in week out, then I would agree with you. But he's had 160+ games to show us he can be consistent and ... we're still waiting.

If Cloke played anywhere but Collingwood he'd be compared to Kosi, not Gordon Coventry.

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That's why contracts exist so each party is aware of the penalties associated with not fulfilling them.

Ratt's was on a two year contract. MM will cost you 5 minimum, Cloke 5 minimum. That's 10 million bucks tied up in two guys.

People calling for that change might want to think of the ramifications of MM and Cloke possibly not giving it their all, it could stuff us for 7 or 8 years.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

And isn't that the Crux of the matter. It was easy to do and there are no recriminations!!!!! The story ran on a Major News Channel. A Channel that happens to have the rights to the AFL.

Maybe if the AFL holds him accountable it might make a few others raise the bar in their journalist endevours. If a person in a Political party made a similar false allegation about his opposition he would be tarred and feathered by the Media. And rightly so.

So why should this guy be allowed to skulk back to his desk with no Public Apology on National TV. At the very least there needs to be a retraction on the same News.

Regards Cazzesman

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Excellent point. (s)

Definitely; Cazz.....definitely...... I bet an apology doesn't surface..........but it should.

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Robbo not holding back here

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 6451442294

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Spot on that article. We havent moved with the times

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Another journalist trying to fill in an article with no research or in depth facts to back it up. If you look at the fact that we've only won 2 Premierships in 30 years maybe we haven't been ruthless enough.

His comments smack of mediocrity and that has been our issue for a decade.

People think the fact that we have beaten Footscray and Richmond means it was a great coaching effort. CRAP. They are very very ordinary. We still had a better side on the park.

The simple fact is that we aren't ruthless or run well enough. This is not just about the coach but the entire club. We want and should have the BEST.

We have the talent. The question has to be is Ratten the right coach to take us to a Premiership. If not, he goes. Nothing else matters.

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I think Ratts has to much pride to walk away. If I was in his shoes I'd be coaching for a strong finish so when he gets the opportunity to present to the board on his season he has the strongest case possible to keep his job.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 6451442294




Turn it up Robbo - who are you trying to kid here.

Comic Gold.

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Robinson is trolling.

Sorry Psych dont agree with you that we had better teams than Dogs or Tigers when we beat them - agree Dogs are ordinary but we had a very ordinary team against them that day - we didnt for example have one genuine ruckmen that day -where Levi coming off an injury for his first game and thorton rucked - tigers are ordinary too but man for man shouldnt have beaten the tigers who had all of their players in and we were missing plenty - also the tigers have beaten both the hawks and swans this year so are better than what people give them credit for - coach's performances have been better lately as he has been getting an ordinary team in personnel to play to its potential - he wasnt doing this earlier in the season and that is to his detriment and might ultimately cost him
Win against brisbane meritorious too because as I stated pre-match we had absolutely the worst /most inexperienced backline for the last 5 years playing - when white and watson are your only key backmen then you are severly depleted - and if for various reasons you havent got jamo hendo laidler bower russell duigan thorton to play down there its a good win - if at the start of the season you said that we played against any team other than GWS and GC and had a backline without those 7 players then I would strongly argue that we couldnt win the game.

Happy to lambast the coach for average performances - yes against bloody PA in particular fair enough but the last 4 weeks has been a good effort against the odds given the personnel available

Personally with the backline we had last week I think there is no way we should beat the bummers especially if they have crameri ryder and hurley playing forward - hope we do but how will backline not concede bummers a winning score

Frank cant agree. Look at the line ups. None the less I don't care who we put on the park I expect to win. I really hate this "what a great effort" crap.

Any team that has Garlett, Betts, Yarran, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, Kruezer, Scotland, Carrazzo, Touhy, Armfield, Jamison, McLean plus some talented kids should be able to beat any side in the bottom 8.

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Ok Psych lets agree to disagree about the last 4 weeks Im not sure that all the players you mentioned played together in the one side in the last 4 weeks(apart from the Sydney game and Jamo only played 2 thirds of it and was our best player until going down) but maybe thats being pedantic - objectively do you think with the side we had last week and the backline we had last week that we will beat Essendon* who are a top 8 side at the moment - I dont but will you concede that if we do the coach would have done a good job and got the most out of a depleted unit - especially a side that has inexperienced players such as watson mciness bell casbout having to play more than a minor role in the team
I dont think Joseph and Davies are great players (albeit they both have played recent finals for us) were also not playing last week in our backline together with hendo jamo laidler duigan thorton russell and bower - so once again yes we had talent that you identified above on the park but apart from Yarran and gibbs and maybe scotland all the talent was all forward of centre - that is effectively 9 backline players not playing in the squad last week and our 3 best tall backmen laidler hendo and jamo not playing

Agree with ThePsychologist on this one. It annoys me too that people have been banging on about how good we've been of late. We beat a 'Dogs team that couldn't beat Wantirna thirds at the moment, and a Richmond that couldn't beat Gold Coast. We had injuries, but not that many. The game against Sydney we were ordinary. And to play like we did against Brisbane for a half was deplorable, with not that many out (only Judd out from the midfield, the ball should never have been in the back half for us to worry about Jamison and Henderson not being there).

How many times this year has Ratten said post game, 'we butchered the ball going forward'? He said it again after the Sydney game, and again after the Brisbane game. That's midfield. That's Murphy, Simpson, Carazzo, Scotland, Yarran etc. All class players. But the message it still kick it long into the forward line, hope that someone takes a mark and if they don't, the crumbers will get it. That allows you to beat up on the average teams. But it doesn't win big games against the best teams, or even well organised defences that play a loose man back (remember Lake against the Dogs? How many times did we bomb it to where he was playing loose? Unbelievable!).

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Siegfried against richmond we didnt have knockers judd walker simpson henderson laidler duigan waite hampson - arguably 7 out of this lot are in our best 22 not a bad effort to win - did the tigers have anyone missing not that I recall apart from their chf

I agree that earlier in the season the coach did not get the best /seem to have the right tactics/strategies against the better teams (albeit we beat the Carringbush twice -who I reckon will win the flag) and this is a worry but he definitely has at the moment a lesser side giving its all in terms of performance and output - agree the jury is still out in respect to gameplan and tactics

Back on topic, a Channel 7 reporter files a mischievious, fabricated story on the main evening news.

What I want to know is what 7 plan to do about it ?

This all gets down to 7's credibility.

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