Unlike our playing performances in 2012 I think the club needs to embrace the 'ruthlessness' we talked about pre-season in our list management at the end of the season. I think we've been riding the wave of apparently improved performances, only for it to come back & with a bit of bad luck we've fallen a good 5-6 places on the ladder and let some mediocre clubs get ahead of us. This is the time now to be strictly reviewing everything to ensure we follow a Geelong 'o6 trajectory rather than a mediocre trajectory where a new coach needs to rebuild post-Judd in 3-5 years time.

IMHO anyone 25 or over who isn't a key part of our 1's (an automatic selection) subject to a few strategic spares should be let go. We have too few young mids coming through, too many young players with elite football skills and we're too prepared to play a negating type rather than build a full 22 list (I respect we have an expensive side to our list which other clubs don't but that's no excuse). We've been complacent and now we have the opportunity to play this one hard.

Senior List: Russell, Thornton, Bower, Collins, Joseph

Potential Trade: Above (doubt any interest) + one of McLean & Ellard (keep one only... I thnk it would be Ellard out), Warnock

Promotion consideration: Casboult, O'Keeffe (yes Id keep him for his overall mix), Tuohy, Curnow, Bell, Dale (maintain as rookie / senior list as required), Rowe (can we place on rookie list given extenuating circumstances)

Rookies: Carter, Heyne, Bray to go. Know nothing about Lodge.

* All subject to depth of drafting of course, if we can't trade up then some may be retained if we're not able to replace like for like

I am too ruthful? I have too much ruth? (How do you actually use the word that is the opposite of ruthless?)

Apologies Mr.P my question was more about use of the English language...if you are not being ruthless you must be demonstrating ruth or being ruthful.... it's a big issue for me as you can see

I guess the other name bandied about for potential delisting is Davies. I'd keep him another year but his kicking errors have to be contained somehow. I think he still has something to offer as he keeps with his opponent well for pace but seemingly plays the man too much (caught in the air) and gives it up too easily.

I'd love to see our top 10 earners versus other clubs. i still fear our cap being top-heavy and thus we need more cheaper players (with their potentially overly obvious flaws) such as a Joseph.

Yes but were you being sarcastic or silly? R.U.T.H.L.E.S.S is how you spell it, isn't it? Unless it's about divorce and your wife's name is Ruth, or something.

It was interesting listening to Rogers the 3 things that stuck out for me was
1. Speed- still going down this track when most others have gone size and contested style2. The recruitment of guys like Rowe Duigan to allow younger ones to develop suggesting these guys are not long term prospects
3. Ge sounds disappointed with Lucas

It was interesting listening to Rogers the 3 things that stuck out for me was
1. Speed- still going down this track when most others have gone size and contested style
2. The recruitment of guys like Rowe Duigan to allow younger ones to develop suggesting these guys are not long term prospects
3. Ge sounds disappointed with Lucas

He's not the only one disappointed in Lucas. Watching him in the WAFL i would have bet my house he'd be a very good player for us.

But Rogers hasn't given up on him yet he reckons there's still a footballer under there somewhere. He also explained that late picks and rookie draftee's often come through faster because they don't rely on their draft position for their success, they work harder. I took this as a bit of a smack at Lucas.

Love the look of Lucas the first time I saw him but he does need a good wake up call for his benefit and ours.

I got the impression that Rogers was frustrated with his lack of game time.

Said he had one or two things to work on but thats not unusual, they all do.

Got the distinct impression that there is a real disconnect between recruiting and the coaching/development side.

I got the impression that Rogers was frustrated with his lack of game time.

Said he had one or two things to work on but thats not unusual, they all do.

Got the distinct impression that there is a real disconnect between recruiting and the coaching/development side.

Im a bit old school I think to be given a game you should have to earn it
It appears from the outside that this is not the case so this is why supporters get frustrated when blokes like Lucas are looked over week in week out
I would like to think players are made to work for their spot in the 22 and hope this is the reason others are being selected in front of him and they are not just given a game for the sake of it

Im a bit old school I think to be given a game you should have to earn it
It appears from the outside that this is not the case so this is why supporters get frustrated when blokes like Lucas are looked over week in week out
I would like to think players are made to work for their spot in the 22 and hope this is the reason others are being selected in front of him and they are not just given a game for the sake of it