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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:18 am 
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Curnow 12 touches v Bell 18 and a goal. FFS, it's Judd for Curnow isn't it? Ellard for Mitch if he's suspended, hope there's nothing in it though as Mitch can dish out some useful pain this week.

Really, really want to see Bell v these pricks after what happened Rd 4. :fight:


Curnows job on Black was instrumental in us getting across the line. He shouldnt be going anywhere.


Its another tag though BV :roll:


Seriously, some of you guys need need to get over your obsession with how many 'tags' we employ.

Our midfield has been terrible in terms of accountability at times and you have to recognise there are different stages of making our players responsible for their opponant.

There aren't many pure tags in footy anymore. Most of the time its be responsible for your opponant, but when we have the ball work off him and provide an option. This is more a 'run with' role. Other players benefit from having someone take them to the ball, others raise their game with the responsibility they're given to run with an opposition star.

To describe Carrazzo's role as a tagger shows a pretty limited understanding of how footy works.

There are some serious flaws in how we play football at times. Some of them relate to coaching strategy, but some of the dumb decision making our players are capable of is embarassing. Having two players run to the man with ball, letting a free player run ahead, having 6-7 within a couple of metres of the contest while their players are outside that bubble, lack of intensity when we tackle in close allowing them to break free.

A few other things that stood out
- how flat we were early
- rotating KP players off the bench, why does Simon White need a break half way through the first quarter?
- our insistence on going sideways or backwards to pick out an easy option in our forward half, giving them time to set up a zone, makes it very difficult for us to find an option and score.


The whole tag thing is something Synbad brought up once. Then again .......and again......and again. After a couple of losses some looking for excuses, rather than saying the players were crap at their roles, went for the first thing on their minds (because it had been repeated 100 times by one guy) and began repeating the "too many taggers line".
Its the new "we're average" one liner.

I thought we were scrappy. I noted we score more from forcing turnovers further down the ground rather than compressing inside our 50. Too much congestion inside 50 when we do that. Ease up on the uber press and we defend better and attack much better.

Like what i saw of ROK. Enjoyed GIbbs' game but thought he made a lot of mistakes. Not his best game for the year even though his numbers were up. Nice goal.

Betts and Garlett played well as did big K. Hope I dont jinx him but it is good to see him get an entire season under his belt finally.

Murphy just gets belted every week. Teams trying their best to bust his shoulder. Better watch them bombers next week.
Also noted that Murphy has been told or realised himself that he was going way off his line with his set shots. Looked like he tried to correct it. Still missed but i think he needs a better technique going forward.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:20 am 
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A win is a win.

Curnow's disposal by hand and foot needs serious improvement to get to AFL level.
Having said that, if all our players showed the same desperation and intensity to get to a contest and at the contest we would improve 20% and make everyone's job a little easier. Commitment makes a big difference. Well done with that Curnow.

Don't underestimate the young Lions. They are inconsistent, but they came to win.
I think it was great to put the brakes on them in the 1st, take control in the 2nd and hit our straps in the 3rd. Shoulda smashed them in the last.
I hope we were saving our energy for a huge assault on the Bumbers otherwise a wasted opportunity to improve %.

Skills need serious attention over the preseason. I'm talking from our No 1's (Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer) right through to our kids Casboult and Bell. All of them. Casboult guesses his kicking and handballs...as bad as Curnow.

Great running team when its going our way, but that's about it.

We are and look far more dangerous with Tex and Waite in the forwardline. Add Casboult to that mix and we have a good structure.
Geez Casboult reminded me of Spalding the way he through himself at the mark in the 1st...and at the time I said that he even looked more natural than Spalding was at 28. Casboult is 20? Spalding's kicking wasn't his feature but he got it together later on in his career, so Casboult can improve his disposal; he's still so young, and HUGE.

Casboult's a keeper. Needs intensive skills coaching. FFS start now.
Bell's a keeper. He's hard at it and another good find. Hard as nails. Finals footballer. Needs to work on kicking.
McInnes too was good, but I'd like to see him add a yard of pace or learn to get around opponents when he has the ball...same with a lot of our players (could learn that from top 5 teams) and a touch more intensity will help his game.
O'Keefe, has the strength required for this level, but didn't see enough to know if he's a keeper.

Add Judd and Jamison to that mix and we're looking dangerous, but it wont improve a skills across the board.
I'm sure the MC know they have to work on that, as well as running the other way, and tackling.
We need to improve in some areas if we are going to be a bonafide top 4 team. I don't think our failure this year can be put down to injuries alone.

I watched it on TV, so if it was worse watching it live, I'd believe that.

Great to get another win. 3 more to go. JUDD.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:23 am 
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Right from the first bounce, Kreuzer seemed to have found a bit of a spring in his step.
I don't think he looked injured last night. He was really good in the ruck. Good taps to mids, and covered the ground really well.
So pleasing.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:29 am 
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No mentions of Walker? Thought it was a very good return from injury from him.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:33 am 
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No mentions of Walker? Thought it was a very good return from injury from him.


Before last night I thought I liked the idea of him spending more time in the midfield, but we should be doing everything we can to ensure he spends as much time as possible forward.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:34 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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The club needs a total review from top to bottom


Have I ever disagreed with this?



Dont know
When I asked about what you thought of Sticks twice you didnt answer
Is it worth asking a third time


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:53 am 
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keogh wrote:
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keogh wrote:
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The club needs a total review from top to bottom


Have I ever disagreed with this?



Dont know
When I asked about what you thought of Sticks twice you didnt answer
Is it worth asking a third time


You want to counter my thoughts on Sticks with my actions as a moderator.

They have nothing to do with each other.

There should be a review of the football club every year. This year should be no exception.

Sticks loves the club and he's fantastic at drawing people into the club because they love him.

He's not a gun president, its not in his skill set to oversee a board. He does what he thinks is best for the club and until a real challenger steps forward he's our president. When and if someone steps forward, then we'll find out if he's really a reluctant president.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:07 am 
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I simply want your thoughts on him as President
My little dig at your job as a mod was meant to be simply humourus and nothing more

Your job is far less important than Sticks' roll as President which I infer from your previous post isnt that important.

The role is vital in the success of this club
McGuire
Costa
Kennett
Great presidents
They have overseen the club's functions making sure they are modern in their thinking

It is the starting point of success

So Sticks is a reluctant President
For a season it can be argued

You cant call him reluctant now can you

He oversees a dysfunctional board which has about half a dozen members too many and its compromised

Dont you get it
We will go backwards ot tread water until there is a better alternative and it happens

A cuuting edge Pres and board wouldnt have appointed Ratts the way he was appointed 5 years ago

So to me games like last night are pointless

Over a decade of shit and mediocrity

And Brad
It was a joke mate
You need to lighten up on that one

The board and Pres are the serious stuff.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:08 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
- rotating KP players off the bench, why does Simon White need a break half way through the first quarter?

missed most of the season with a knee and was being run ragged by brown...


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:13 am 
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28 tackles in the 1st quarter we were on track for a record
Finished with 53 for the entire game
Shows once the game opens up we are very good

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:16 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Right from the first bounce, Kreuzer seemed to have found a bit of a spring in his step.
I don't think he looked injured last night. He was really good in the ruck. Good taps to mids, and covered the ground really well.
So pleasing.

I was a bit worried when he pulled up lame post marking contest - saw him hobble to the knock on (iirc, from o'keefe) for a snap goal so it cant be too bad.

Still nowhere near 100% imo.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:18 am 
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I must be deluded. Here I was thinking that this was a post match thread but all we get is long winded posts by a bloke who didn't watch the game??????????????????????

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:20 am 
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Noonamah Blue wrote:
I must be deluded. Here I was thinking that this was a post match thread but all we get is long winded posts by a bloke who didn't watch the game??????????????????????

Apologies
Grand Illusion then


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:21 am 
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keogh wrote:
Dont you get it
We will go backwards ot tread water until there is a better alternative and it happens


Shit man, I don't get it?

You act like my preventing you from going open slather on each here means I'm endorsing Sticks as President.

I didn't disagree with you and you still go on a rant about dysfunctional boards and presidents holding us back.

Who's your choice for President, where has he been the last 10 years and why hasn't he put his hand up to be president?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:30 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
28 tackles in the 1st quarter we were on track for a record
Finished with 53 for the entire game
Shows once the game opens up we are very good


And our gameplan needs to start incorporating this mindset.

Beat our opponent into submission. Win the early arm wrestle, then run it right down their throats when it opens up.

Against the good sides, Hawks, Pies, Cats, Crows etc We need to be prepared to arm wrestle the full 4-quarters if we want to win.

imo, this is where we've lacked in the strategy department season 2012. If the game doesn't open up immediately or to our liking, we fold like a house of cards.

Bell, Robbo, Carrots, Levi, McInnes, Curnow to an extent and by the looks of it ROK are built to win the arm wrestle. We need more of them often and early.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:36 am 
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Cobalt and Waite presenting, contesting and taking strong marks makes such a positive difference.

Bell looks a terrific prospect - plenty to learn but he's intense, willing to work hard, and plays a direct offensive style rather than a dinky useless indirect approach.

Speaking of dinky useless & indirect, Carrotts infuriates me when he goes possession chasing. He's most effective as an in and under one-touch mid that can get first possession at a stoppage and feed it out.

I love the look of McInnes - like Laidler he's a steady reliable 'get the job done' clean footballer.

I was livid to see ROK start in the red vest. He should've had all 4 qtrs to experience AFL tempo. Just absurd IMO.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:38 am 
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No system bringing the ball forward from half back. If we won a centre clearance it was ok, but when they were allowed to set their press up about 60m out from their goal we were [REDACTED], especially early in the game.

On the other hand when we lost the ball up forward they could stream through the middle with ease, like the game last week and like the NM preseason game - fortunately they didn't have the skill/decision making to hurt us.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:52 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
keogh wrote:
Dont you get it
We will go backwards ot tread water until there is a better alternative and it happens


Shit man, I don't get it?

You act like my preventing you from going open slather on each here means I'm endorsing Sticks as President.

I didn't disagree with you and you still go on a rant about dysfunctional boards and presidents holding us back.

Who's your choice for President, where has he been the last 10 years and why hasn't he put his hand up to be president?

Harold Mitchell would be one person who would do a better job.

There are others already mentioned
The fact that jeanie Pratt is VP says so many things about this club
Why is she VP
Money would be a fair answer
And that Brad is wrong

As for preventing me saying things about the board I know I dont break any rules
AND YOU ALLOW ME TO GO ON TC
Just have a laugh next time I poke some harmless fun at you :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:03 am 
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keogh wrote:
As for preventing me saying things about the board I know I dont break any rules
AND YOU ALLOW ME TO GO ON TC
Just have a laugh next time I poke some harmless fun at you :wink:


I've never prevented you from commenting on the board.

So Harold Mitchell wants the job? He's prepared to put in the time to do it?

You know this?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:11 am 
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Yeah anyway guys, back to the post match discussion.....

PROS - we got another AFL game into Bell, Casboult, McInnes, ROK, Tuohy and Watson. And we won.

Aside from that, not a great deal to get excitied about.

Hope Robbo doesn't get rubbed out and that Betts is OK. I know we're not going to make the finals and it's about 2013 etc, but I would love to knock off the Bombers next week.... :twisted: :cool:

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