I'd elevate Bell before Curnow

With all this talk about Ratten going and us struggling to pay out his contract, I think you can safely assume we're not going to exacerbate this by delisting anyone with a contract.

Ergo - Ellard, Joseph, Armfield aren't going anywhere..

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Only a moron would delist Army

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Agreed.

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Comfortably in our best 22. Not going anywhere.

Pretty sure Collins signed on for 3yrs and AJ has next year also signed up/contracted so that may weigh in their favour come delisting time, this year anyway.

Please someone take Aaron Joseph! Worst AFL footballer ever!

I must admit I'm not 100% on the rookie list rules, but I think after 2 years on the rookie list a player has to be elevated to the primary list or delisted (except for international rookies, who I think can serve 3 years). Bell can be kept on the rookie list another year, rather than take up a spot on the primary list. I think they want Curnow at the club next year, so he either gets elevated or they roll the dice and try to re-rookie him (and run the risk of another club getting to him via the draft process).

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Can be on there for three years now.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

But isn't that only if they go through the drafts and last until your rookie list pick?

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Without getting into the revisions for this year, which there's been no official correspondence from the AFL on (i've tried obtaining).

Since the GC inception, you've been able to keep them on for a third year without having to redraft.

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Nope, but I'm not sure how long the rule was set up to last for (as it was a GC/GWS concession to other clubs)?

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With Brock Mclean going there is 400,000 spare to lock in a key forward.

Would suggest the following are less likely than likely to be at Carlton next year or two (thanks to gro for the contract year)
Jordan Russell 2012
Marcus Davies 2012
Bret Thornton 2012
Paul Bower 2012

Aaron Joseph 2013

Russell to GWS, Thornton well life is not fair and neither is footy. Bower doesn't play the first option (hesitation is death). Davies gets a bit panicky.

Joseph might survive because of his contract.

pretty sure those numbers are correct but that list hasnt been updated for ages

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Unlike our playing performances in 2012 I think the club needs to embrace the 'ruthlessness' we talked about pre-season in our list management at the end of the season. I think we've been riding the wave of apparently improved performances, only for it to come back & with a bit of bad luck we've fallen a good 5-6 places on the ladder and let some mediocre clubs get ahead of us. This is the time now to be strictly reviewing everything to ensure we follow a Geelong 'o6 trajectory rather than a mediocre trajectory where a new coach needs to rebuild post-Judd in 3-5 years time.

IMHO anyone 25 or over who isn't a key part of our 1's (an automatic selection) subject to a few strategic spares should be let go. We have too few young mids coming through, too many young players with elite football skills and we're too prepared to play a negating type rather than build a full 22 list (I respect we have an expensive side to our list which other clubs don't but that's no excuse). We've been complacent and now we have the opportunity to play this one hard.

Senior List: Russell, Thornton, Bower, Collins, Joseph, Kerr (EDIT: Added after, just forgot)

Potential Trade: Above (doubt any interest) + one of McLean & Ellard (keep one only... I thnk it would be Ellard out), Warnock

Promotion consideration: Casboult, O'Keeffe (yes Id keep him for his overall mix), Tuohy, Curnow, Bell, Dale (maintain as rookie / senior list as required), Rowe (can we place on rookie list given extenuating circumstances)

Rookies: Carter, Heyne, Bray to go. Know nothing about Lodge.

* All subject to depth of drafting of course, if we can't trade up then some may be retained if we're not able to replace like for like

Um... I agree with the premise but the details don't sound very ruthless at all. We have too many mediocre players kept on the list out of an attitude of preservation. This doesn't give us much to work with in regards to the draft and unearthing enough of the type of players that will get us to where we want to be. It's a self fulfilling, self perpetuating cycle. What we do after that is show hyper interest in some big name to help fix the 'problem' that drafting didn't fix.

We need to be tough on who we let go and more subtle on who we bring in.

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I am too ruthful? I have too much ruth? (How do you actually use the word that is the opposite of ruthless?)

You mean merciful?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.