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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:29 pm 
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How long in to 2013, before the 1st post complaining how we never kick it down the guts any more? :razz:


NAB cup.

Apparently we should win that as well. :grin:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:48 pm 
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I don't want to keep Ratten 'just in case'. It's the attitude we have with players, too.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:10 am 
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MM won't happen next year.
Neither will Cloke I hope despite what experts such as Joffa claim.

MM could have been here this season with Parko, Leigh Matthews, Paul Roos, John Kennedy, Alan Jeans and Norm Smith as assistants and we still wouldn't have been better off. OK, we may have won the Port game but so what? When you are playing footy with up to 12 of forty missing and have to rely on promoting rookies so you have a half-decent squad from which to pick 22 players, you are never going to beat good sides to make the finals.

MM could have managed the injuries? This is the great myth. The injuries were mostly impact-related so it's mostly bad luck.

MM to Hampson? "When you go for a mark, don't knee Swan in the ribs in case you have a season-ending knee injury."
MM to Simmo? "When you go for a mark, don't let Wellinhgham break your jaw. You're too important in the team structure."
MM to Carrazo? MM to Murphy? MM to Walker, Robbo,Kreuzer, Waite?

How could MM have prevented that? And even if he could, how could he have said to Casboult, Mitchell, Bell, "don't get injured in case someone in the ones has a serious injuryand we have to play you.

That's what some are implying by saying MM will be better. He will bring the MM game plan. The MM boring game. The MM boring personality. The MM discipline, which would be good if we could guarantee it and what else? Cloke?

We will never know where this team would have finished under Ratten with the lack of injuries enjoyed by North or Sydney. That is the only fact. Everything else is hypothesis.

One can't demand that we develop players as Collingwood or North has done and then just go and pay a milion for five years for Cloke, either. I'd rather we developed Casboult, Mitchell, Henderson, (insert player picked in this year's draft) instead and use the 5 million on trading for or keeping players who turn up to play every week. Cloke is a match winner on his day and absolutely useless the next week. Plus he is a selfish wanker of the first order and we don't need that. If we did, we could get Fev back at a quarter of the price. At least he's a Carlton man. But Fev ain't the answer. Neither is Cloke and MM may or may not be. And Ratts may or may not be as well. We just don't know because he wasn't able to do what he wanted this year. Develop as a coach. Deliver is a top 4 possie. He'll still be here next year for better or for worse.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:06 am 
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The bottom line is success overrides everything. I'm sure the Freo supporters will be saying Mark who? If they make the finals, if they are not already saying that now.

A few Carlton supporters and journos will be saying Ratts has been hard done by if he is replaced. However, if success comes as a result that will quickly change.


If.

No real success so far.

One eliminational finalsvictory in over five years.... thats simply not good enough.

Pretty sure that can be improved upon. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:08 am 
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When Malthouse comes in he will want to pick his own staff and so he should.


Lets get Trout and Mulkearns. If we're going to @#$%&! up like 2002, lets do it properly.
We could even turn it into a movie starring Michael J Fox!
The only difference is, this time Greg Swan is playing the role of John Elliott. (The desperate administrator trying to save his arse with one last ditch effort)
Heime from Get Smart can play Sticks and Mick will be perfect in the role of Denis!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:17 am 
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Whether the change of coach is a PR disaster or not, I would predict our at least our membership will jump. Especially if it's a MM/Cloke package.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:17 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
When Malthouse comes in he will want to pick his own staff and so he should.


Lets get Trout and Mulkearns. If we're going to !@#$%& up like 2002, lets do it properly.
We could even turn it into a movie starring Michael J Fox!
The only difference is, this time Greg Swan is playing the role of John Elliott. (The desperate administrator trying to save his arse with one last ditch effort)


Life with Mikey?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:59 am 
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The thing is though Dg, injuries force players to change roles. You often hear talk about the top teams have very settled back lines ... how each player instinctively gets to know what's the guys around him a likely to do. Well we're at about the opposite end of that. Our back line has been about as unstable as any I can remember. Even when we had guys like Henderson fit we'd have to pinch him from the backline to cover up front.
Our backline has been unsettled for years now. The closest thing to a regular presence back their over Ratts tenure is Jamison which, considering his injuries, says a lot about how much work we still have to do back there. It's one of our problems that is often overlooked. Hopefully next year Laidler gets back at 100%, Watson makes CHB his own, Jamo stays injury free and Touhy and Yarran keep improving. For once it would be nice to not have to rotate multiple players through the back half to cover form and/or injury.


I'd argue with that just a little bit in8. We had a nice period mid last year when Duigan, Laidler and Henderson we all fit and started to string a few games together in the backline. Add to that Gibbs, Scotland and Yarran and things were looking ok. But yeah - mostly is been unstable.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:05 am 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
muzza wrote:
The bottom line is success overrides everything. I'm sure the Freo supporters will be saying Mark who? If they make the finals, if they are not already saying that now.

A few Carlton supporters and journos will be saying Ratts has been hard done by if he is replaced. However, if success comes as a result that will quickly change.


If.

No real success so far.

One eliminational finalsvictory in over five years.... thats simply not good enough.

Pretty sure that can be improved upon. :lol:


Ah well, that's ok then I was a bit worried but as long as you are pretty sure, I can sleep easy.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:19 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
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So how are we going to do this.

Fremantle Harvey/Lyon style. Sack Ratts, and then magically appoint MM 30 minutes later, or have Ratten stand down and go through a mock process before appointing MM just to make it look like this wasn't something that has been in the wings since June?

What difference does it make?....


To Ratten - none. To the club in a PR sense - something.

Just curious as obviously this is playing out behind the scenes different to how it is in public. Whilst this is nothing new in football, I was just interested as to how the club plans to handle what should be a delicate situation, and what will be the inevitable media frenzy.

We all might have the luxury of TC, + other forums to get a blow by blow account of the last 2 months, but the majority of supporters would be clueless and are more than likely still under the impression that Ratts is coaching for his career in the next 4 weeks. Dayne Zorko said so, Robbo think's it, Barrett thinks he should stay, so therefore it is all true.....

I mentioned to my old man that it seems that Malthouse had agreed to a 3 year contract, so his first response was "I'll have to watch 360 tonight and see what they have to say" as if this was something that all took place over 1 phone call this afternoon and is now common knowlege!

Fremantle had to deal with the whole "did Lyon stab Harvey in the back", "was he deep in talks whilst still a St Kilda coach?" and Essendon* with the conflicting stories of when Thompson began talks about joining the Hird regime etc.

Considering that Ratten is still under contract, MM's constant denial and refusal to discuss coaching jobs as respect to the person contracted to the position, and Sticks' hardly stellar performances in the past when under media fire, they'd all better be ready.

That's all.


Now don't get me wrong on this one B74 -- I reckon TC is great. A lot of fun. I really like hearing opinions and rumours etc.

But.

I wouldn't place too much store on the accuracy of the information. There are some posters who "know things", but I find it's difficult to distinguish between genuine insights and speculation.

I still enjoy it all though.

One footnote : I've noticed "Effes" team selections always seem to be correct. (with apologies to any other posters who are also on the money and I haven't mentioned).


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:43 am 
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We would still have Fev if we had Mick when all that Brownlow stuff went down. Mick is on record saying there are different rules for different players. He also has his favourites and didnt "play the kids" (unless they were tanking) while at the Pies.

A 3 year contract for a bloke over 60 must mean we think we have the cattle to win the GF in that time, all we need is a different coach. None of the draftees over the next 3 years will play in the GF.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:52 am 
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Now for those with close links to the club when is the sh!t going down ?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:19 am 
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yibbida wrote:
We would still have Fev if we had Mick when all that Brownlow stuff went down. Mick is on record saying there are different rules for different players. He also has his favourites and didnt "play the kids" (unless they were tanking) while at the Pies.


Dane Swan's dad has complained that he's been given a two week suspension by Buckley saying that Malthouse would've still let him play.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:04 pm 
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Someone saying that Bomber Thompson is really keen to coach again , on SEN.

I could get excited about that.

Say a respectful goodbye at season's end, to Ratts.

Bomber did say the other day, that there are minor differences of strategy, between him and Hirdy.


hmmmm...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:42 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Someone saying that Bomber Thompson is really keen to coach again , on SEN.

I could get excited about that.

Say a respectful goodbye at season's end, to Ratts.

Bomber did say the other day, that there are minor differences of strategy, between him and Hirdy.

hmmmm...


Seeing him every Monday with Rocketon 360 throughout the year, I ve always wondered with al this inuendo about Carlton and MM why we hadnt gone for Bomber..
Hearing this, perhals we have / will...
Fingers crossed....

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:51 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Someone saying that Bomber Thompson is really keen to coach again , on SEN.

I could get excited about that.

Say a respectful goodbye at season's end, to Ratts.

Bomber did say the other day, that there are minor differences of strategy, between him and Hirdy.


hmmmm...


Yes! This would warrant genuine enthusiasm for the next few seasons.

Malthouse, I like what he's doen, I'm just not sure what he's got left ... But Bomber. He'd be the balls


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And it would make every Scum supporter buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:11 pm 
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And it would make every Scum supporter buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn.


But think of the devastation it would cause Psych and Synners, they've been told Mick has the job. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:32 pm 
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The question I find most intriguing now is which Assistants will Mick bring with him, and which of our current Assistants will stay?


Know anything Josh?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:13 am 
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yibbida wrote:
We would still have Fev if we had Mick when all that Brownlow stuff went down. Mick is on record saying there are different rules for different players. He also has his favourites and didnt "play the kids" (unless they were tanking) while at the Pies.

A 3 year contract for a bloke over 60 must mean we think we have the cattle to win the GF in that time, all we need is a different coach. None of the draftees over the next 3 years will play in the GF.



Mick would be thinking the same thing


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