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harker
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:52 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
We wont be able to get Hine or Wells.

However, I would give Rendell some serious consideration.


Jesus, who many heads do we want to turn-over?
We have SR appointed as head recruiter after doing a good job in recent years and he will be given the right to show his wares.
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Blue Vain
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The Rhino wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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If we snare Derek Hine, a well regarded assistant coach (



since when was he an assistant coach?


That would be Hine, AND a non-specific well regarded assistant coach (i.e. Burns, Laidley, Sumich etc)

Punctuation fail.



Ahh, I see.
I thought I'd missed something..... :lol:

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grrofunger
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I am really against the recruiting of Cloke for a number of reasons.

He isn't that good or consistent enough.
He will be too expensive
He is not a popular teammate
He is a Cloke
He would probably stop us from picking up some other valuable players
It would stop us playing Mitchell, Casboult, Henderson, Rowe & Waite
We need mids not KPP


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kots1234
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Rightly or wrongly if MM wants the job it's his.

Talk of us keeping Ratts because we can't afford to pay him out is absurd! That would never be an issue.

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Synbad
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cimm1979 wrote:
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My attacks on Sticks and Ratts are due to their history as an administrator and as a coach.
Theyre shithouse!!!
One is a reluctant president.. yeah reluctant to FO!!!
and the other will never get a job at another club as a coach.

Whats there to support???


Mediocrity???

Look.. if they ran Collingwood or Port Melbourne.. or Subiaco Football clubs.. i wouldnt give a Ratts....

But unfortunately they impact on my life by running th e club i support into the ground.

As they affect my life and enjoyment.. and my escape... i feel better by wanting them to go.. and expressing that.

Youre not even sure about them,,,,,,

Noone can cataguorically say theyre fantastic.. and yet theyre here .. year after year... after year... after year..... and its always next year next year next year next year!!!
Enough with the mediocre and lets bring this club back into line as a power club.

These two are not the answer.. but they think they are....!!!

Why arent you convinced with Ratten 5 plus years on????
why arent you c onvinced that Sticks has been around far too long and as a reluctant president.. he has only shown he isnt reluctant to leave...

His problem is.. whats he do after this???

28 years around the club whats he do????

Thats how small minded he is.....

Were stcuk with him cos he wont know what to do with himself....

Selfish of him isnt it???


and this last line is a perfect example.

That might be true if we believe his motives for staying are selfish.

I don't know that and neither do you. It's a guess, probably a poor guess influenced by the hostility to display towards Sticks. It's one thing to say you believe he's a poor administrator due to x,y or z, but's it's something else entirely to suggest he's there for selfish reasons.

As for my concerns about Ratt's, I will say that recently I'm more confident because it our endeavour has been much more consistent, even though the execution has been ordinary, but if you'd asked me after the Port loss, i would have been happy to see him gone. After the Pie's game (the first one) he had the job for life, so I'm inconsistent to that extent, but that's life as a supporter and I normally recover by the time reams are released on Thursday.

He says he is the reluctant president Cimm.
And if someone better came along he would leave.

Hes the best is he??? :lol:

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Stamos
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The biggest issue is if Malthouse is actually better than Roos?
If Roos is better, surely we are better off letting Ratts coach out the final year of his contract and then getting the best, rather than jumping a year early.
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cimm1979
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Synbad wrote:

He says he is the reluctant president Cimm.
And if someone better came along he would leave.

Hes the best is he??? :lol:


That's not proof of working for selfish ends.

Not the best, but he's certainly not the worst.

But it has to be a board member and the board keep voting for him.

So until you get that changed, nothing changes. It's all down to the board, not just Sticks.

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Synbad
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:

He says he is the reluctant president Cimm.
And if someone better came along he would leave.

Hes the best is he??? :lol:


That's not proof of working for selfish ends.

Not the best, but he's certainly not the worst.

But it has to be a board member and the board keep voting for him.

So until you get that changed, nothing changes. It's all down to the board, not just Sticks.



Sure it is.

If you have been part of the worst period of Carltons history... and you have held a major position throughout.. and you contrinue on staying.. and the constitution is changed on your behalf.. and you state youre reluctant president but you never ever leave.... youre a reckless selfish man....

Thats what he is...

The board vote for him cos theyre all toast without his blind leadership.

Bottom line he isnt a great president.... and everybody knows it.

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cimm1979
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Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:

He says he is the reluctant president Cimm.
And if someone better came along he would leave.

Hes the best is he??? :lol:


That's not proof of working for selfish ends.

Not the best, but he's certainly not the worst.

But it has to be a board member and the board keep voting for him.

So until you get that changed, nothing changes. It's all down to the board, not just Sticks.



Sure it is.

If you have been part of the worst period of Carltons history... and you have held a major position throughout.. and you contrinue on staying.. and the constitution is changed on your behalf.. and you state youre reluctant president but you never ever leave.... youre a reckless selfish man....

Thats what he is...

The board vote for him cos theyre all toast without his blind leadership.


Bottom line he isnt a great president.... and everybody knows it.


Still not proof of working for selfish motives.

Just an opinion and one that can't be taken seriously because of what appears to be a deep personal hatred.

And this is the basis for many of your assertions.

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Juddy&theKruezers
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
I am really against the recruiting of Cloke for a number of reasons.

He isn't that good or consistent enough.
He will be too expensive
He is not a popular teammate
He is a Cloke
He would probably stop us from picking up some other valuable players
It would stop us playing Mitchell, Casboult, Henderson, Rowe & Waite
We need mids not KPP


Now I think this is something the majority of us do agree on!

:thumbsup:

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Juddy&theKruezers
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in8 wrote:
So assuming we go with an experienced coach in Malthouse what are people's expectations? Does he get a year to rebuild or do we expect immediate results? Personally I'd be expecting similar results in 2013 to what we had in 2011 as long as we have reasonable health. With another year's development in the younger blokes and presumably an easier draw due to our poor results this year I think that's a reasonable expectation.

Must make the eight first year minimum....second year top four and a serious crack at a premiership....

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bondiblue
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Proper process.
Best man wins.

Who picks the coach anyway? Mathison, Pratt, Sticks.
Must be done properly and aboveboard.
Best practise or nothing.

Does Malthouse want the job? Lets see how much he wants it.
Stand in the queue....he should be invited to dine.

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Juddy&theKruezers
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bondiblue wrote:
Proper process.
Best man wins.

Who picks the coach anyway? Mathison, Pratt, Sticks.
Must be done properly and aboveboard.
Best practise or nothing.

Does Malthouse want the job? Lets see how much he wants it.
Stand in the queue....he should be invited to dine.

This would be the preferred option but Sticks should not be picking anything....if we did go down this road>>>> independent group assess the best candidates and make their recommendations....

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Synbad
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Ok cimm. you win.
He is either super stupid or selfish or both


I think both......

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Ockham's Razor
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bondiblue wrote:
Proper process.
Best man wins.

Who picks the coach anyway? Mathison, Pratt, Sticks.
Must be done properly and aboveboard.
Best practise or nothing.

Does Malthouse want the job? Lets see how much he wants it.
Stand in the queue....he should be invited to dine.


Don't assume that best practice isn't being followed.

Also, what do people mean by aboveboard/transparent etc? Surely it shouldn't be done in public or under the media spotlight?

When the best processes are followed only those who need to know do know - perhaps the best process is being followed :wink:

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Stamos
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in8 wrote:
So assuming we go with an experienced coach in Malthouse what are people's expectations? Does he get a year to rebuild or do we expect immediate results? Personally I'd be expecting similar results in 2013 to what we had in 2011 as long as we have reasonable health. With another year's development in the younger blokes and presumably an easier draw due to our poor results this year I think that's a reasonable expectation.


If we sack Ratten for Malthouse, I would expect a Premiership in 2013.
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Synbad
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Stamos wrote:
in8 wrote:
So assuming we go with an experienced coach in Malthouse what are people's expectations? Does he get a year to rebuild or do we expect immediate results? Personally I'd be expecting similar results in 2013 to what we had in 2011 as long as we have reasonable health. With another year's development in the younger blokes and presumably an easier draw due to our poor results this year I think that's a reasonable expectation.


If we sack Ratten for Malthouse, I would expect a Premiership in 2013.

Thats ok if you expected a premiership over the last 3 years too.

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buzzaaaah
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I heard another MM related link to the job today.

BTW the draw won't change significantly for us next year. There are only 5 teams you play twice. 3 are set for us. Coll, Ess and Rich. This year we got easy beats in Brisbane as one of the other 2 and a team that won't make finals in another.

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Ockham's Razor wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Proper process.
Best man wins.

Who picks the coach anyway? Mathison, Pratt, Sticks.
Must be done properly and aboveboard.
Best practise or nothing.

Does Malthouse want the job? Lets see how much he wants it.
Stand in the queue....he should be invited to dine.


Don't assume that best practice isn't being followed.

Also, what do people mean by aboveboard/transparent etc? Surely it shouldn't be done in public or under the media spotlight?

When the best processes are followed only those who need to know do know - perhaps the best process is being followed :wink:


PRECISELY !

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teknodeejay
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We should get West Coast and Fremantle in Melbourne, Adelaide away, Port here, GWS, Sydney and Bris away, Gold Coast here. That's 3 trips but the AFL will definitely slot us in for a perth trip so I'm tipping Freo or WC twice in the year.
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