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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:47 pm 
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Should there be a change of coach, I wonder what the "process" will be?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:49 pm 
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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Eade coaching us, if Ratten was to go.
Eade created a game plan that suited the players he had at the bulldogs and even though he did not get the rewards he should have, he coached very, very well. The players certaintly listened and worked for him. Unfortunately, he could not get the missing link he needed. I think Eade would suit our players better than Malthouse. I am really concerned about Malthouse and a lot of what BV said previously has been playing on my mind as well.

But we should not look at replacing Ratts....

With Eade.. what was his missing link he needed???

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:50 pm 
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Taff wrote:
Should there be a change of coach, I wonder what the "process" will be?

The process will be to get out cheque book and cut a cheque...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:51 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Eade coaching us, if Ratten was to go.
Eade created a game plan that suited the players he had at the bulldogs and even though he did not get the rewards he should have, he coached very, very well. The players certaintly listened and worked for him. Unfortunately, he could not get the missing link he needed. I think Eade would suit our players better than Malthouse. I am really concerned about Malthouse and a lot of what BV said previously has been playing on my mind as well.


I reckon Eade is a fantastic coach. He's a great bloke as well.

The only ever concern I've had with him is he is just so intense. I'd have no issue if we ended up going with him.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:55 pm 
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I think Ratts is a super coach.. and i hope we dont get rid of him.. cos if we do... alot of other clubs will wannatake him and he will win flags.

Ratts = flags

Second... Sticks should remain president as long he is breathing cos with him at the helm... were flying....he is King Midas... everything Sticks touches turns to gold...

... and people think im a broken record...!!!


Is anyone actually saying that?

People have different views, but i dont think anyone is saying everything is rosy.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:55 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Eade coaching us, if Ratten was to go.
Eade created a game plan that suited the players he had at the bulldogs and even though he did not get the rewards he should have, he coached very, very well. The players certaintly listened and worked for him. Unfortunately, he could not get the missing link he needed. I think Eade would suit our players better than Malthouse. I am really concerned about Malthouse and a lot of what BV said previously has been playing on my mind as well.

But we should not look at replacing Ratts....

With Eade.. what was his missing link he needed???


He needed a couple of KP forwards Synbad.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:00 pm 
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Sorry :donk:

But im really interested in cimms point re all this.


From the top..

Not convinced.
a) Sticks is a great Prez.
b) The board is functioning well.
c) The board members are suitably qualified or properly selected.
d) Ratt's is the best coach.

However I'm prepared to entertain the idea that not everything associated with the groups listed is a complete balls up or criminally negligent.

Your attacks of Ratt's and Sticks are deeply personal and border on obsessive. You count every victory as luck and every mishap as somehow Sticks or Ratt's (or both) faults. You refuse to acknowledge even the smallest improvement in on-field or off-field performance as anything but due to dumb luck or wealthy benefactors.

Your views are extreme and don't take into account the position our club was in a few short years ago or any mitigating circumstances for average on-field performances.

You offer cryptic messages about secret goings on and don't come clean with the information.

Plus, I don't like your mate. :grin:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:16 pm 
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My attacks on Sticks and Ratts are due to their history as an administrator and as a coach.
Theyre shithouse!!!
One is a reluctant president.. yeah reluctant to FO!!!
and the other will never get a job at another club as a coach.

Whats there to support???


Mediocrity???

Look.. if they ran Collingwood or Port Melbourne.. or Subiaco Football clubs.. i wouldnt give a Ratts....

But unfortunately they impact on my life by running th e club i support into the ground.

As they affect my life and enjoyment.. and my escape... i feel better by wanting them to go.. and expressing that.

Youre not even sure about them,,,,,,

Noone can cataguorically say theyre fantastic.. and yet theyre here .. year after year... after year... after year..... and its always next year next year next year next year!!!
Enough with the mediocre and lets bring this club back into line as a power club.

These two are not the answer.. but they think they are....!!!

Why arent you convinced with Ratten 5 plus years on????
why arent you c onvinced that Sticks has been around far too long and as a reluctant president.. he has only shown he isnt reluctant to leave...

His problem is.. whats he do after this???

28 years around the club whats he do????

Thats how small minded he is.....

Were stcuk with him cos he wont know what to do with himself....

Selfish of him isnt it???

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:22 pm 
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Might as well be pragmatic about this. It's going to happen, it's going to happen without a process. Like it or not.

The steak knives that accompany MM probably determine the outcome more than a coach who probably won't be here longer than 5 years tops.

If we snare Derek Hine, a well regarded assistant coach (at the expense of one of the lesser regarded ones no less), with an amicable succession plan that all parties enjoy, and someone with a clue on player development, then I think it's a good outcome, irrespective of poor process.

Cloke on the other hand....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:28 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
If we snare Derek Hine, a well regarded assistant coach (



since when was he an assistant coach?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:30 pm 
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I am really against the recruiting of Cloke for a number of reasons.

He isn't that good or consistent enough.
He will be too expensive
He is not a popular teammate
He is a Cloke
He would probably stop us from picking up some other valuable players
It would stop us playing Mitchell, Casboult, Henderson, Rowe & Waite
We need mids not KPP

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:35 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I am really against the recruiting of Cloke for a number of reasons.

He isn't that good or consistent enough.
He will be too expensive
He is not a popular teammate
He is a Cloke
He would probably stop us from picking up some other valuable players
It would stop us playing Mitchell, Casboult, Henderson, Rowe & Waite
We need mids not KPP


Now I think this is something the majority of us do agree on!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:36 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I am really against the recruiting of Cloke for a number of reasons.

He isn't that good or consistent enough.
He will be too expensive
He is not a popular teammate
He is a Cloke
He would probably stop us from picking up some other valuable players
It would stop us playing Mitchell, Casboult, Henderson, Rowe & Waite
We need mids not KPP

+1 on all points

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:38 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
If we snare Derek Hine, a well regarded assistant coach (



since when was he an assistant coach?


That would be Hine, AND a non-specific well regarded assistant coach (i.e. Burns, Laidley, Sumich etc)

Punctuation fail.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:40 pm 
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So assuming we go with an experienced coach in Malthouse what are people's expectations? Does he get a year to rebuild or do we expect immediate results? Personally I'd be expecting similar results in 2013 to what we had in 2011 as long as we have reasonable health. With another year's development in the younger blokes and presumably an easier draw due to our poor results this year I think that's a reasonable expectation.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:41 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
If we snare Derek Hine, a well regarded assistant coach (



since when was he an assistant coach?


That would be Hine, AND a non-specific well regarded assistant coach (i.e. Burns, Laidley, Sumich etc)

Punctuation fail.


Hine is the Head of Recruiting at Collingwood and ranked w Stephen Wells as one of the best.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:41 pm 
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Yes, I'm well aware of that..?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:48 pm 
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We wont be able to get Hine or Wells.

However, I would give Rendell some serious consideration.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:50 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I am really against the recruiting of Cloke for a number of reasons.

He isn't that good or consistent enough.
He will be too expensive
He is not a popular teammate
He is a Cloke
He would probably stop us from picking up some other valuable players
It would stop us playing Mitchell, Casboult, Henderson, Rowe & Waite
We need mids not KPP


Cloke alone would stop us from playing 5 players and regardless, we still don't have a bona fide CHF?

We need mids but if we get Cloke, no one here will be shedding tears either and his signature alone shouldn't halt us in our tracks for seeking other suitors.
It seems that we have a lot on the table right now, so we may just have to see how the first week of trade pans out, to see what openings we may have.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:51 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
My attacks on Sticks and Ratts are due to their history as an administrator and as a coach.
Theyre shithouse!!!
One is a reluctant president.. yeah reluctant to FO!!!
and the other will never get a job at another club as a coach.

Whats there to support???


Mediocrity???

Look.. if they ran Collingwood or Port Melbourne.. or Subiaco Football clubs.. i wouldnt give a Ratts....

But unfortunately they impact on my life by running th e club i support into the ground.

As they affect my life and enjoyment.. and my escape... i feel better by wanting them to go.. and expressing that.

Youre not even sure about them,,,,,,

Noone can cataguorically say theyre fantastic.. and yet theyre here .. year after year... after year... after year..... and its always next year next year next year next year!!!
Enough with the mediocre and lets bring this club back into line as a power club.

These two are not the answer.. but they think they are....!!!

Why arent you convinced with Ratten 5 plus years on????
why arent you c onvinced that Sticks has been around far too long and as a reluctant president.. he has only shown he isnt reluctant to leave...

His problem is.. whats he do after this???

28 years around the club whats he do????

Thats how small minded he is.....

Were stcuk with him cos he wont know what to do with himself....

Selfish of him isnt it???


and this last line is a perfect example.

That might be true if we believe his motives for staying are selfish.

I don't know that and neither do you. It's a guess, probably a poor guess influenced by the hostility to display towards Sticks. It's one thing to say you believe he's a poor administrator due to x,y or z, but's it's something else entirely to suggest he's there for selfish reasons.

As for my concerns about Ratt's, I will say that recently I'm more confident because it our endeavour has been much more consistent, even though the execution has been ordinary, but if you'd asked me after the Port loss, i would have been happy to see him gone. After the Pie's game (the first one) he had the job for life, so I'm inconsistent to that extent, but that's life as a supporter and I normally recover by the time reams are released on Thursday.

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